Hybrid G8 future in doubt, E85 more certain

[UnkleTim]

The ONLY thing about my GT that makes it a hybrid is the emblem that I put on it.
Plenty of folks ask about it though. Yes, I am a nut.

[BBBBGXP]

I suspected a sham! So what do you do if you're approached by a "green weenie" wanting to know about your propulsion? You got a pat story ready? I mean living with the largest gathering of 'greenies" in the world, California, you definitely should have a cover story with that badge!

[stonebreaker]

He tells them it's dual fuel... it burns gas AND rubber...

[eds65gto]

Hi:
This thread comes at an opportune time , I am reading the July 2007 Car and Driver magazine , page 13 , and there is a column by Csaba Csere , one of the editors
" A smarter way to use ethanol to reduce gasoline consumption ".
The article says " there are not many stations , about 1000 , that have E85 and that mileage is about 25% less with E85 , but the fuel is not 25% cheaper " .
To regain some of the fuel mileage the engine needs a compression ratio of at least 11:1 or higher because ethanol has an octane rating of about 105. This would make the engine very inefficient on E10 , 10% ethanol 90% gas .
The article goes on to state that using a small , 1.8 liter 12 to 13 to one compression ratio turbocharged and intercooled dual fuel , gas for cruising and ethanol for high boost use , engine with 22 to 25 psi boost and direct injection would make the same power as a 3.6 liter V6 but use about 25% less fuel. The engine could cruise with just gas and use the ethanol for a power boost when accelerating. A car uses very little power on the highway at a steady speed , 15 to 30 hp or so , and needs more for acceleration.
To see the full article get the July 2007 issue of Car and Driver.
I do not think that adding ethanol or any other bio-fuel to gasoline does anything but reduce the fuel mileage and raise the price of that fuel. Ethanol is a very corrosive liquid that must be shipped separately and combined at the fuel distribution center and then to the gas station where it is sold. This of course raises the price because of the dual distribution system required. The price of corn has also risen due to the use of corn for ethanol instead of for food so this does not help either.
By using food waste and other bio-mass by products that are normally dumped , ethanol production can be less expensive , even though it costs less , and has a smaller carbon footprint , to produce a gallon of gas than to produce a gallon of ethanol.
When are we going to demand congress stop catering to the corn producing states and the companies producing the ethanol and worry about the people themselves ?
Hope this helps
Ed

[BBBBGXP]

Hey, thanks Ed! Next time I run across a July 2007 issue of C&D I'll have to re-read that article.

[95_9C1]

hmmm...

Thieves Taking Hybrid Logo Off Hybrid Cars

i like it, not the stealing part, the hybrid lettering on a G8 and stonebreaker's burning gas and rubber concept.

BTW, are those prius letters?

[95_9C1]

would this upset people?

GM p/n 25798870

[UnkleTim]

I tell them it is a combination of gas and electric. They say, "Wow, I didn't know Pontiac made them." Even in the green capital of America they are clueless. LOL.
I bought the letters from Ford online. I have no idea what model the came off of but they look like they were put on at the factory.
Yes, I am nucking futs.
My favorite part now though it the combination of the flowmaster rumble with the hybrid emblem

[sharknice]

Originally Posted by eds65gto

Hi:
This thread comes at an opportune time , I am reading the July 2007 Car and Driver magazine , page 13 , and there is a column by Csaba Csere , one of the editors
" A smarter way to use ethanol to reduce gasoline consumption ".
The article says " there are not many stations , about 1000 , that have E85 and that mileage is about 25% less with E85 , but the fuel is not 25% cheaper " .
To regain some of the fuel mileage the engine needs a compression ratio of at least 11:1 or higher because ethanol has an octane rating of about 105. This would make the engine very inefficient on E10 , 10% ethanol 90% gas .
The article goes on to state that using a small , 1.8 liter 12 to 13 to one compression ratio turbocharged and intercooled dual fuel , gas for cruising and ethanol for high boost use , engine with 22 to 25 psi boost and direct injection would make the same power as a 3.6 liter V6 but use about 25% less fuel. The engine could cruise with just gas and use the ethanol for a power boost when accelerating. A car uses very little power on the highway at a steady speed , 15 to 30 hp or so , and needs more for acceleration.
To see the full article get the July 2007 issue of Car and Driver.
I do not think that adding ethanol or any other bio-fuel to gasoline does anything but reduce the fuel mileage and raise the price of that fuel. Ethanol is a very corrosive liquid that must be shipped separately and combined at the fuel distribution center and then to the gas station where it is sold. This of course raises the price because of the dual distribution system required. The price of corn has also risen due to the use of corn for ethanol instead of for food so this does not help either.
By using food waste and other bio-mass by products that are normally dumped , ethanol production can be less expensive , even though it costs less , and has a smaller carbon footprint , to produce a gallon of gas than to produce a gallon of ethanol.
When are we going to demand congress stop catering to the corn producing states and the companies producing the ethanol and worry about the people themselves ?
Hope this helps
Ed

So how much more would an engine like that cost? It seems like it would be a lot more.

[stonebreaker]

Originally Posted by sharknice

So how much more would an engine like that cost? It seems like it would be a lot more.

Probably about the same as a turbo ecotec. How much are those cobalts again?

[MAYBEN]

Originally Posted by stonebreaker

He tells them it's dual fuel... it burns gas AND rubber...

bringing back an old thread, but I just read this post and laughed my ass off...

I dont want any extra badges, but I am tempted to put that just so I can use that line...

[IcePickFreak]

Originally Posted by UnkleTim

I tell them it is a combination of gas and electric. They say, "Wow, I didn't know Pontiac made them." Even in the green capital of America they are clueless. LOL.
I bought the letters from Ford online. I have no idea what model the came off of but they look like they were put on at the factory.
Yes, I am nucking futs.
My favorite part now though it the combination of the flowmaster rumble with the hybrid emblem

lol I joked about this a week or so ago, so as not to get egged in the coming months by the greenies (theres a reason prius/insight looks like an egg!) Just tell people it runs on gas and air, and theres no shortage of air!

Or just really screw em up and say it's a factory test vehicle for e100 and it can run on Jack Daniels, made right here in the good ol' US of A.

[Seattle09GT]

Look this company called Tesla seems to have all the answers according to the greenie weenies.

Take a Lotus Elise, dump out the Toyota engine, get 6,381 laptop battery cells and connect them together and the end result is an overweight Lotus Elise that doesn't handle as well and only gets 55 miles on the test track before the batteries die.

[KentuckyBoy]

That would be a few dollars well spent just for the laughs.