Allot when it comes to understanding WHY older cars are getting similar gas mileage as todays high mileage oriented vehicles. It is nowhere near as simple as just saying they both get similar mileage. You have to dig deeper than that if you really want to understand the inner workings of that comparison. And trust me even a vehicle that gets 50mpg will pollute allot if their emissions hardware is not performing correctly, or when it is based upon older technology in that Civics case.
Of course that Civic is going to cost less than the much newer Prius, there is a 15 year difference in age. Some people want the technology and amenities that the newer car provides which may be why they opted to purchase something like an 08 Prius versus a 93 Civic.
I do not know exactly what your point is on some of this CMNT... It seems that you seem to think that I am some sort of Prius fan and that is not the case. Nievo posted a comparison that left out allot of factors which affect mileage and I corrected him. Simple as that. I could care less if there are vehicles that get better mileage than the Prius because I do not own a Prius and, frankly, sure as hell do not plan to buy one.
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Nothing wrong wit em, though i guess i feel ya anger with the prius. It does stand for what america wants us to become: a bunch of 100hp 4cyl (at the most! ) drivers that care about the enviorment. Well guess what, ***** YOU AMERICA!!!
i think you missed my point,IT IS NOT AND ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY CAR!!!!
THE DAMAGE WAS ALREADY DONE DURING PRODUCTION A hummer has been proven to be more green!!!thats sad,but very true
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I know that mining nickel is not environmentally friendly though, so I'm guessing much of it may be in the manufacturing and the disposal of the huge ni/cad battery???
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Allot when it comes to understanding WHY older cars are getting similar gas mileage as todays high mileage oriented vehicles. It is nowhere near as simple as just saying they both get similar mileage. You have to dig deeper than that if you really want to understand the inner workings of that comparison. And trust me even a vehicle that gets 50mpg will pollute allot if their emissions hardware is not performing correctly, or when it is based upon older technology in that Civics case.
Of course that Civic is going to cost less than the much newer Prius, there is a 15 year difference in age. Some people want the technology and amenities that the newer car provides which may be why they opted to purchase something like an 08 Prius versus a 93 Civic.
I do not know exactly what your point is on some of this CMNT... It seems that you seem to think that I am some sort of Prius fan and that is not the case. Nievo posted a comparison that left out allot of factors which affect mileage and I corrected him. Simple as that. I could care less if there are vehicles that get better mileage than the Prius because I do not own a Prius and, frankly, sure as hell do not plan to buy one.
Thanks for "correcting me" Anyone can tell there are differences between a '93 Civic and a '08 Prius. Point I was trying to make is that 15 years later cars are still getting the same gas mileage at probably 3 times the cost of what that Civic would be new today.
Alot of people overlook manufacturing data when it comes to a vehicles pollution output. Sure a car might put out twice the pollutants as another car might but differences in how there made might take years or hundreds of thousands of miles to make up for.
Nothing wrong wit em, though i guess i feel ya anger with the prius. It does stand for what america wants us to become: a bunch of 100hp 4cyl (at the most! ) drivers that care about the enviorment. Well guess what, ***** YOU AMERICA!!!
Whoa! We live in the best nation in the world, hands down, bar none or whatever anacronym you want to apply and you say that?
as it turns out,there have benn studies done to show that after 100k miles on both cars, and everything taken into consideration(ie building the car,cost of purchase,maintenance etc.) that the hummer would cost (approximates here)1.85 per mile and the prius would be about 3 dollars
the nickel is mined and refined from europe to i think china then sent here(i forget the exact details) but all of that plus the transportation on fossil fuel rigs and barges,etc does more damage to the environment before you even get the car...look it up its not hard to find
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hood rock chip protector
GXP diffuser
smoked corner and tail signals
vinyl trunk mat
under dash and seat red LED's
Vararam & HSRK
Kaltech 93 tune
Red caliper paint
Sony X-plode amp
Infinity 10' subs-dual enclosure
Polk audio 2 way 6.5 door speakers
MTX re-Q
326rwhp/333rwtq (mustang dyno)
other miscl. goodies...
At least he did not put in his sig the type of motor oil he uses.
Funny. I can't believe your taking a shot at me..... I'm so crushed. BTW, this engine is better off with full synthetic and IMO one of the best/practical "mods" you can do to this L76...... for longevity/health, that is.
And on another note. This thread was meant to poke a little fun at the Prius owner's sig. It seems like most of you are getting off on other topics. Take it somewhere else. Start your own thread for that ****.
I know that mining nickel is not environmentally friendly though, so I'm guessing much of it may be in the manufacturing and the disposal of the huge ni/cad battery???
That sounds about right. Thats the only way i can think of a prius harming the enviorment.
I hear those nickel refinerys erase traces of life for miles. Kinda turns me against my prius a little...
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Whoa! We live in the best nation in the world, hands down, bar none or whatever anacronym you want to apply and you say that?
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And on another note. This thread was meant to poke a little fun at the Prius owner's sig. It seems like most of you are getting off on other topics. Take it somewhere else. Start your own thread for that ****.
I don't think thats any less silly than the people on here that add blackout headlight and taillight covers... or the people who go chopping up their vents, removing panels, giving these "self" mods clever names and gaining a whopping 1/2 hp by butchering their cars.
Mustang GT 5.0 VS. prius
(a personal note on this one, it was an up hill and around a curve race) Victory for the prius
(location Canada College Farm hill blvd entrence heading up to the college)
All I can say is:
What a load of horsesh*t!
I guess it wasn't til he got around the curve that he realized the Mustang driver had had a heart attack and the car was just coasting!
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The Prius gas engine is 76hp/82tq. The electric motor is 67hp/295tq. But, Toyota says that the "net hybrid output is 110hp.
Anybody make sense of this?
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Allot when it comes to understanding WHY older cars are getting similar gas mileage as todays high mileage oriented vehicles. It is nowhere near as simple as just saying they both get similar mileage. You have to dig deeper than that if you really want to understand the inner workings of that comparison. And trust me even a vehicle that gets 50mpg will pollute allot if their emissions hardware is not performing correctly, or when it is based upon older technology in that Civics case.
Of course that Civic is going to cost less than the much newer Prius, there is a 15 year difference in age. Some people want the technology and amenities that the newer car provides which may be why they opted to purchase something like an 08 Prius versus a 93 Civic.
I do not know exactly what your point is on some of this CMNT... It seems that you seem to think that I am some sort of Prius fan and that is not the case. Nievo posted a comparison that left out allot of factors which affect mileage and I corrected him. Simple as that. I could care less if there are vehicles that get better mileage than the Prius because I do not own a Prius and, frankly, sure as hell do not plan to buy one.
A) My point is, at the end of the day, if I spend $1,500 on a 93 Civic that gets me 50 mpg, I'm still getting the same 50 mpg as the guy who spent $40+k for a Prius and is getting the same mileage. 50mpg = 50mpg.
Now if you want to split hairs over engine management systems, implementation of OBDII, CAN, upcoming OBDIII, emissions systems and tier 2 emissions requirements, yea we can talk about that if you want. But at the end of the day 50mpg = 50mpg regardless of the "technology" that enables it to get it.
B) Never said you were a Prius fan. I don't think I labelled anyone here that.
I simply asked "what's the difference?" 50 mpg is 50 mpg.
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I think what he's saying is that if it weren't for the restrictive emissions requirements, the modern-day Prius (and probably any other car for that matter) would be able to achieve much higher mileage than it currently gets.
In the end, it is government restriction that is screwing everything over, as always. The car manufacturers are pretty much damned if they do, and damned if they don't. It's like the government is trying their very best to screw over the auto industry, as well as consumers thereof.
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My wallet doesn't care about technology, government restrictions, red tape, etc though.
All it cares about is how often and how much I have to fill up and that associated cost to fill up.
If it weren't for all that red tape, government restrictions, lobbyists and other B.S. that puts a pain on auto manufacturer's, our V8's would probably get 50mpg also and the Prius would get 80 mpg.
But that's all coulda, woulda, shoulda...
At the end of the day, both get 50mpg! That's all I care about. Of course, the lower cost of ownership for that old honda is a huge advantage, but...
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) drivers that care about the enviorment. Well guess what, ***** YOU AMERICA!!! 
Anyone can tell there are differences between a '93 Civic and a '08 Prius. Point I was trying to make is that 15 years later cars are still getting the same gas mileage at probably 3 times the cost of what that Civic would be new today. 
