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Old 01-08-2013, 08:04 PM   #21
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even if he had i/h/e/t then they can run high 13s with a good driver, so put a spanking on him.
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Coming from and EM2 Civic I followed the Honda scene and these "Fast" civics to be scared of are few and far between. Most are chopped together cars and usually 6th gens or older. RSX's are rare to be built due to the extra weight.

Either way this kid is all talk, just give him a good spanking.
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This is a no-brainer. Even if he is supercharged or turbo'd you will smoke him I guarantee it. And sounds like chances are good he's neither. When I had my TSX for awhile (K24A2 also) I researched every mod there was out there. Short of a complete engine swap nothing on the market was worth a ****. Even going S/C was a complete waste of $$. Not even 300hp with full bolt-ons, SC and tune. Seriously, go destroy this guy and watch the look on his face
No K series motor will make 300whp from bolt-ons alone; pistons, rods and cams are needed. Just like a G8 wont make 400rwhp on a stock block without bolt-ons and a cam.

The K24A2 block is a gem when put to good use. The TSX makes 201 crank hp with 2.4 liters K24A2 with 10.5:1 and a head that doesn't flow worth crap without opening it up and doing some porting. While the RSX makes 210 crank with 2.0 liter K20Z1 with 11.1:1 and a head that flows a thousand times better.

What I'm saying is to take the K24A2 block and swap a better flowing head such as a K20Z1 form a RSX or K20Z3 from a Civic Si. You would bump the compression up to around 11.5:1 and still have the 2.4 liter displacement. With a cam and bolt-ons this should net you roughly 250-270whp depending on how well the combination of bolt-ons and cam work together and if you have auto or manual trans.

This is a nice jump from baseline 160whp the TSX puts down in stock form. Especially in a RSX that weights roughly 700 lbs less than the TSX.
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rsx's are rare to be built due to the extra weight.

Either way this kid is all talk, just give him a good spanking.
agreed!!!
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I thought they did have Type R Integras over here for a short period... they were only available in like 3 colors or something... I thought they had a higher wing....
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I thought they did have Type R Integras over here for a short period... they were only available in like 3 colors or something... I thought they had a higher wing....

This is true for the Integra. But the US never got a RSX Type-R. Also like previous posters have said Honda's can be fast and it doesn't take much money at all. My first 5 cars were Honda's two of which were turbo-ed and managed to hurt a few unsuspecting V8 guys feelings.
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Old 01-09-2013, 07:30 AM   #27
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I have built dsms and a few hindas. I had a h22 turbo prelude that was no joke. 10psi on high compression block with e8blew me away with how fast it was compared to my dsms with way more boost.

What i am trying to say is he is most Likly a punk who thinks its day because it says typeS but those who do bout have respect for the import scene will find themselves butt hurt by a Honda eventually. Even without a power adder they can be quick cars decently cheap.
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This is true for the Integra. But the US never got a RSX Type-R. Also like previous posters have said Honda's can be fast and it doesn't take much money at all. My first 5 cars were Honda's two of which were turbo-ed and managed to hurt a few unsuspecting V8 guys feelings.
Ah... cool thanks for the clarification.
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All this import talk has me thinking I'm going to build another import for a daily driver.
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I have to say ditto for the posts saying you should have to trouble destroying them. I had a RSX try to be a real jerk coming onto the highway once. I saw them punch it as soon as they came to the part of the entrance ramp where I could pass also. This allowed a few car lengths before I hammered it. Before I hit 70 (from 40) I had already caught them and was waving to their confused look as I drove on by. They obviously had a few mods like exhaust and I'm guessing some sort of power adder with the A pillar gauge (unless that was just for looks).
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Too funny. My G8 with all my current mods still couldn't beat my old Honda in the 1/4 and especially on a road course. Yes, it was only a Honda, but I spec'd it, built it myself and learned tons back in the late '80's and 90's. You just can't beat power to weight ratio!

The RSX guy is probably a dud. He probably thinks it's REAL fast because he hasn't run in a REAL fast car before. I remember a guy who switched from a TSX to a GTO, and he came on the board and said you guys are missing out. Most people gave him **** and called him a neanderthal, old NASCAR crap pushrod V8 from the 50's....blah, blah. Some people listened and I was one, I'm open to all kinds of cars, but the FIRST time I drove my G8 during the test drive my thought was, I was missing out. Run your friend then take him for a ride, he'll say the same thing my BMW M3 friend said today when I pulled onto the highway...."it's been a while since I've been in a fast car!"
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I had a friend in HS who had a first Gen RSX with the 6 speed. That thing was torquey as hell and could pull decently and cornered well.
Torquey? I respectfully disagree.
They had less than 100lb/ft of torque until over 5500 rpm! Even winding up to 8 grand, 125 lb/ft at the wheels was good for those motors.
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Torque is tricky to wrap yourself around.
It's twisting force.
(Horsepower is the amount of work you can do over time.)

But in relation to engines it's directly related to engine speed.
So gears have one purpose and that is to multiply engine torque to the wheels & that means high engine speeds=high acceleration.
An engine having a high rev range can take advantage of gearing.
F1 cars have rather low relative torque (specific output) but are at the top of the automotive performance food chain.
18 wheelers have extreme high torque (specific output) but don't rev high at all.

Twisting off your beer cap might come easy but how fast can you repeatedly do it over time?
The more torque you can make higher in the rev range is better for acceleration.
So, while specific output may be underwhelming, you need to account for where it's happening in the rev range and how much it's propelling.
Racing has one purpose only.... maximize the amount of torque to the wheels for the most effective amount of time.

Gear multipication in a high revving engine can give a high amount of "torquey" seat of the pants feel to it.
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Thanks for the post...a lot of great information there.

I do understand the relationship between torque, rpm, and work; I wasn't saying that there aren't places in the rev range where it may feel torquey, but as you alluded to it's probably more a function of high revs and the rsx's having ridiculous final drive like 4.7 or something...not the motor. But you're absolutely right, that's the exactly the point of the transmission Still IMHO, I would venture a guess that of all the things that those engines (or cars) have been called, torquey is at the bottom of the list.

Yes, F1 cars are at the the top of the automotive food chain, but they also have to rev to 19,000 rpm to make their peak power. A 5.8l NASCAR motor is making the same 800 horsepower, at less than half the revs, with twice the torque. So yes, it's absolutely all relative to where you want the power, in what manner you want it delivered, and how "fast you want the work done" so to speak.

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No problem about the thread jack.
I'm sure this'll be recreated in the kill section later.
Any bench racing discussion until then is fair game.
We got a high revving I4 in a light car vs a low tech, low revving pushrod V8 in a heavy car.
Their torque to the wheels, to propel the car, is up for grabs right now.

Fun fact about NASCAR is that they have the highest piston speeds in professional motorsport.
High stroke + high rev (9000+) = 'merican supposed low tech in the lead.

So there you have the big trade off in cars.
Usable powerband and application vs peak of performance.

Personally, I like a daily driver engine that I can 'blip' and take off.
Wringing an engine out for more revolutions only equals more wear vs an engine that can produce the same amount of torque to the wheels at lower revs.

If we're talking about track vehicles I might change my stance solely for the music a higher revving engine is capable of.
Then again, a track car should have one selfish purpose only.... the feel it gives to the pilot.
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I am sorry, F1 cars are not the top of the food chain. They may be elite and rich euro sports. But a top fuel dragster or land speed record jet cars are way more technical than a lousy hybrid (kers equipped) open wheel racer is. Make no doubts, I love F1, but its not the pinnacle many make it out to be.
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So it finally happened, came to church on the G8 and we went out to race. Boy am I pleased with the G. Killed the RSX didnt even stand a chance. We came of the exit in (Mexico) lined up in the left lanes from a 30 roll. We both punched it, I was in drive sport. Instantly had three car lengths on him and just kept pulling, at 125 I could barely see him in my rear view. Like usual he tried to say we didnt punch it at the same time, but we both know it was fair race. Very pleased with the G8. Amazing car, and it shut the little punk up. Looking forward to the next victim.
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AWESOME! Glad you put him in his place.

Next time offer him several cars so he doesn't have an excuse.
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So it finally happened, came to church on the G8 and we went out to race. Boy am I pleased with the G. Killed the RSX didnt even stand a chance. We came of the exit in (Mexico) lined up in the left lanes from a 30 roll. We both punched it, I was in drive sport. Instantly had three car lengths on him and just kept pulling, at 125 I could barely see him in my rear view. Like usual he tried to say we didnt punch it at the same time, but we both know it was fair race. Very pleased with the G8. Amazing car, and it shut the little punk up. Looking forward to the next victim.
You should give this guy a ride in an actual fast car so he knows what fast actually is. Yes I realize the G8 isn't your fast car. Haha
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So it finally happened, came to church on the G8 and we went out to race. Boy am I pleased with the G. Killed the RSX didnt even stand a chance. We came of the exit in (Mexico) lined up in the left lanes from a 30 roll. We both punched it, I was in drive sport. Instantly had three car lengths on him and just kept pulling, at 125 I could barely see him in my rear view. Like usual he tried to say we didnt punch it at the same time, but we both know it was fair race. Very pleased with the G8. Amazing car, and it shut the little punk up. Looking forward to the next victim.
Nice kill. I knew it would turn out this way.

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