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Old 01-16-2013, 10:50 AM   #41
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Got two intakes and TBs on the way to Rick now. Can't wait to get them back!!



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Old 01-16-2013, 11:35 AM   #42
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There is more "pressure" on the manifold during vacuum than boost in most mild street applications cases. When you decel, there is @ 10-12psi of pressure on the outside of the manifold. The factory manifold is tuffer without the supports than the FAST so it will hold more boost than a FAST if that helps give a reference. Worth it? Airflow is power. You can make the same power with boost but it will take a few more psi to do it. End result of power on boost is what you can make N/A since boost is a multiplier. 400 hp is 800 with 15psi, 350 is 700 with 15 psi in which case it would take 20 psi to make 800hp. So don't give up power N/A unless you have a reason. Try not to give up anything on motor unless you have to. I feel some guys get too carried away with "blower cams" that they give up too much N/A and have to push more boost to make up the difference which doesn't make any sense. The intake will help you make more with less or more with more. I can always make a couple of changes to make it more solid with boost but it would just be thicker bars and plastic welding around the floor plugs.

A little info on the plugs....The intake plugs have a receiver groove cut around it on the inside of the cup and v-cut on the plenum floor to anchor the epoxy even if it was to loose its bond. And if you were to go to the far-reach "what-if", the epoxy can only fall out, not in because of the step in the floor. To actually fall-out, the intake would have to come off since it sits on the lifter valley plate. Chances are, if you break a plug out of the intake, it is the least of your problems.....
Very good info as far as the pressures on the intake. You also make a good point about the blower cams. Having a car that is most efficient under boost is for the strip not the street since most street driving is done in vacuum.

Thank you for the info on the floor plugs also I was interested about that. Sounds like a very foolproof design.

The computation with boost is something I use all the time and its funny how many people just dont get it. Esp if instead of saying 15psi you say add one atmosphere or for 7psi 1/2 atmosphere.

Anyway thank you for taking the time to answer my questions and helping everyone learn a bit more about these mods and the theory behind them.
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Old 01-16-2013, 06:21 PM   #43
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If I wouldn't have broke my evap sensor I would be able to tell ya lol
You should have plastic welded it with a soldering gun...
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Old 01-16-2013, 06:23 PM   #44
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Very good info as far as the pressures on the intake. You also make a good point about the blower cams. Having a car that is most efficient under boost is for the strip not the street since most street driving is done in vacuum.

Thank you for the info on the floor plugs also I was interested about that. Sounds like a very foolproof design.

The computation with boost is something I use all the time and its funny how many people just dont get it. Esp if instead of saying 15psi you say add one atmosphere or for 7psi 1/2 atmosphere.

Anyway thank you for taking the time to answer my questions and helping everyone learn a bit more about these mods and the theory behind them.

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Rick,

Do you give up anything on the bottom end? I am going to install a pretty heafty cam.... 230/242 and power down low will be a wash compared to stock until it gets on the cam. It will be a road course/dd car...not a 1/4 car.
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Old 01-17-2013, 09:16 AM   #46
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Do you give up anything on the bottom end? I am going to install a pretty heafty cam.... 230/242 and power down low will be a wash compared to stock until it gets on the cam. It will be a road course/dd car...not a 1/4 car.

The Intake should be better everywhere since the port size and length is not changed
. Since you make the biggest airflow demand at peak hp and tq, this is where it should have the most gain at. There is a dyno comparison on New Era Facebook page with a G8 using that cam and making a swap to this Intake. Ran a PB at the track 11.67@119 on street tires, then had it dyno'd and retuned, picked up more power, with a final gain of 18hp. His numbers were around 476 to the tires....
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Old 01-17-2013, 02:35 PM   #47
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I doubt i will see 476 to the tires since i am still on stock heads,longtubes, cai and a home tune...I was thinking somewhere around 400whp. If was to get anywhere near 476 with this setup, I would consider going back to high school to relearn my math skills. Since you have some knowledge of this cam, how does it perform. I told them i did not want a peak only cam since it will be for roadcourse and d/d.
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It is a good DD cam with a stall.......I don't think you got what you wanted. It will be lazy out of the corners unless you have it turned up.

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Thats my plan as far as keeping the revs up. I also went ahead and got a cloyes hex adjust timing chain and an edelbrock timing cover so i can play with the powerband a little. Plus if i don't like the cam, it will be an easier swap with the timing cover and the link lifters in place. I'm not expecting for the power to come on till around 3k or so,but if i want to advance it a little (pv clearance willing),I can move it down a few hundred.
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Old 01-19-2013, 08:15 PM   #50
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Got two intakes and TBs on the way to Rick now. Can't wait to get them back!!



Love the Kangaroo on the garage wall!!
Where did you get that from?

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Old 01-21-2013, 06:50 AM   #51
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Rick....or anybody else,

Can you pm me what the cost is I have a spare intake that i can send out and might want to do this in the near future.

I also have a Pat G. recomendation for a cam that i will more than likely get after my next turn around as well. With my setup, it will be real easy to swap a cam in/out.
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I have a question...I only see where this has been done to the 6.0 GT's.... Have any done this on the GXP? If so, what were the mods and what were the gains? I'd consider this as one of my next mods as I will be trying to get into the 11s with just bolt ons, drag wheel setup, and a stall.
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Old 01-22-2013, 04:39 PM   #53
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U get any TB cores in Rick?!
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Old 01-31-2013, 10:03 AM   #54
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Love the Kangaroo on the garage wall!!
Where did you get that from?

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It was actually part of a liquor store sign for a store that my business partner bought and renamed. He asked me if I wanted it and of course I said hell yeah. It was a one off, aluminum sign that was originally neon. The neon part was broken, so I backlit it with LED strips from Lowes that I can set to any color I want.

Here's a better picture.
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I will post my dyno graph later but with the intake manifold, ported TB & ORSSOM intake the car made 5more whp & 18 # more trq with no tune change from before with just a vararam intake .
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In case some of you didn't see my other thread in the dyno section, I upgraded to Rick's intake, ported TB, and a UDP and picked up 6/12 at the rear wheels.
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Dyno graph added to 1st post.
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Old 03-26-2013, 12:15 AM   #59
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Sweet! Thanks guys!
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Big thanks to Rick Crawford. I installed his intake and a SLP underdrive pulley this winter. Best time last fall was 13.1 @108.44 2.02 60ft. I ran this past weekend and had my personal best 12.8 @ 110.67 1.99 60ft.

I know some of that was the UDP but I got to give the most credit to that intake. To pick up 3 tenths and over 2 mph was very impressive.
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