Street racing disaster involving a G8

[Rayvan]

Originally Posted by Seattle09GT

Oh no, I get it, and your logic is quite twisted. If I lived in your world where it appears that it is "reasonable" to expect two morons to blast through a red light at 75 MPH, then I should come to a dead stop at every green light I come to, count to five and THEN go. The world doesn't work that way.

I always distrust green lights, and I always assume the worst in every other driver. It's what has kept me alive in 30 years of motorcycle riding. Like my grand-dad always said:


'Here lies the body of William Jay
Who died maintaining his right of way -
He was dead right, as he sped along,
But he's just as dead as if he were wrong.'

[MABg8ter]

Originally Posted by Rayvan

I always distrust green lights, and I always assume the worst in every other driver. It's what has kept me alive in 30 years of motorcycle riding. Like my grand-dad always said:


'Here lies the body of William Jay
Who died maintaining his right of way -
He was dead right, as he sped along,
But he's just as dead as if he were wrong.'

See, there's other people who get what we're saying. It's called being proactive and looking out for yourself.

Perhaps you guys are lucky, but here in Florida it's very commonplace for people to run redlights because they weren't paying attention/didn't want too/drive too nice of a car to have to follow the rules of the road in their opinion/etc. And I'm not talking people running a red light in the sense of thinking it'll stay yellow while they go across, or even being within the delay from red light on one set of lights to green on the other set. I'm talking about noticing the light is red and still going. I've seen people sitting at a red light wait for a break in traffic and run the red light then. So as a habit, when the light turns green, I look and make damn sure all the cars that are supposed to be stopped are in fact, stopped.

You only think I'm trollish because you don't see what we're saying and you are so "OMFG STREET RACING IS BAD". Nobody is saying that the guy got in the way of the street racing and its his fault. What we're saying is he obviously didn't look, and if the two cars hadn't been racing, the outcome could have still been the same. Cuz if you think an old Camaro is going to survive a 45 mph hit from a Grand Cherokee as opposed to a 75 mph hit... you've got another thing coming. You can keep thinking I'm a troll if you want, but all we're saying is to ****ing pay attention, and maybe double check that the road is clear both ways before you pull out. It's just like "look both way before you cross the street" that your mother used to tell you as a kid.

[BrandonG777]

And the insanity continues, go look at the crack down on zombies in the left lane thread. If you can take anymore.

[jrc1122]

Originally Posted by MABg8ter

See, there's other people who get what we're saying. It's called being proactive and looking out for yourself.

Perhaps you guys are lucky, but here in Florida it's very commonplace for people to run redlights because they weren't paying attention/didn't want too/drive too nice of a car to have to follow the rules of the road in their opinion/etc. And I'm not talking people running a red light in the sense of thinking it'll stay yellow while they go across, or even being within the delay from red light on one set of lights to green on the other set. I'm talking about noticing the light is red and still going. I've seen people sitting at a red light wait for a break in traffic and run the red light then. So as a habit, when the light turns green, I look and make damn sure all the cars that are supposed to be stopped are in fact, stopped.

You only think I'm trollish because you don't see what we're saying and you are so "OMFG STREET RACING IS BAD". Nobody is saying that the guy got in the way of the street racing and its his fault. What we're saying is he obviously didn't look, and if the two cars hadn't been racing, the outcome could have still been the same. Cuz if you think an old Camaro is going to survive a 45 mph hit from a Grand Cherokee as opposed to a 75 mph hit... you've got another thing coming. You can keep thinking I'm a troll if you want, but all we're saying is to ****ing pay attention, and maybe double check that the road is clear both ways before you pull out. It's just like "look both way before you cross the street" that your mother used to tell you as a kid.

You might want to read my posts again, and some of my posts in the "kills section". I'm not "so OMFG STREET RACING IS BAD"

You prove my point exactly-- You are the one that isn't listening. My beef isn't that you suggest that the victim's actions didn't contribute to the accident.

But it shouldn't be weighted in the same way.

And you said...

or if he was just dumb and not paying attention.

I feel bad for his family, but IMO he deserved it.

that is the part I have beef with...

If my brother, mother, friend, or my wife, etc makes a simple driving mistake that results in their death. I wouldn't want to find out some huge DOUCHE BAG on the internet saying My loved on "deserved it". Especially when their a two street racers that killed them.

There is a huge difference in the type of races I seldom get involved in, and this type.

City driving, 75 mph driving/ blowing through stop lights. Is a far cry from the type of street racing I will rarely partake in.

Wrong is wrong.

You will never hear me say Good kill (if those things are involved in the story)

I am fairly certain zero people agree with the quoted statement above, so stop trying to act like you have supporters on this topic. You may have other statements that people agree with, but the one I took beef with as did many others, was the part where he "deserved it"

Grow up! When you are ready to join the adult world, the forum will be waiting.

[MABg8ter]

Perhaps "deserved it" isn't the best way to phrase it. He didn't deserve death in the way that child rapists, identity thieves, etc. deserve it. He more of... brought it on himself. I guess that's a better way to put it.

What I mean to get across is that he was directly involved in causing his own death. And in that sense, he is a Darwin award candidate. He might have been a great guy, I don't know him, I couldn't tell you. But at the end of the day, the reason he's dead today is his actions in a ****ty situation.

Everyone has their time to go though. It was just his time. As I've said before, I feel for his family.

[jrc1122]

Darwinism- another flawed belief of yours. You went from he deserved to die, to he deserved to die because he was somehow so weak and dumb he eventually failed to survive.

Dude, he made a mistake and it cost him his life-- That same mistake was probably made over a million times around the world (THAT DAY)-- But he was the only one unfortunate enough to make a mistake near a complete moron who was using his car as a deadly weapon.

Cars are designed to protect the driver/passenger fairly well in 35 to 45 mile per hour crashes. Even the older ones. They are built with safety in mind.

Speed limits are put in place for safety reasons. Because on those roads the potential to have a 35- 45 mph accident into a non moving or slow moving vehicle is possible. Due to the fact their are intersections, turns, lights, stops, shopping centers entering and exiting these roads.

So when you see a typical mistake turn into an accident-- usually no one is seriously hurt. Why because although 100% vigilance may have not been used, Common sense and obeying the speed limit on crowded roads was. So dying is a very slim possibility.

Darwinism doesn't apply here.

If that was the case.. all driver's should be killed off, because no one is perfect and making a mistake in your eyes is reason enough to be killed off, because you just weren't smart enough to not get killed by the 75 mph illegal street racer. So just because you haven't been killed with a minor driving lapse in judgment, doesn't mean you shouldn't be killed off by your twisted theory of Darwinism and how you choose to apply it to this story.


Go ahead reply with some more spin on this topic - I'll read it, but you don't deserve any further response. I'm done with this thread, and will try to steer clear of your reckless internet trash talking.

And saying someone deserved to die because of a traffic violation mistake- Is trashy

[Gvox]

I cant believe I'm going to post in this horrible thread but here it goes...

As far as I know many states (I know this is true in Kentucky due to a recent DUI case in the news) can hold one accountable for something along the lines of willful negligence (probably wrong exact legal term) even for accidental deaths, and street racing probably would fall under that, making the crime murder. Yes, you can go to prison for life for street racing (or more commonly DUI) if you kill someone and all would do well to remember that.

[BluYa76]

Originally Posted by Gvox

I cant believe I'm going to post in this horrible thread but here it goes...

As far as I know many states (I know this is true in Kentucky due to a recent DUI case in the news) can hold one accountable for something along the lines of willful negligence (probably wrong exact legal term) even for accidental deaths, and street racing probably would fall under that, making the crime murder. Yes, you can go to prison for life for street racing (or more commonly DUI) if you kill someone and all would do well to remember that.

Yeah, but if you play for an NFL team and have money you'll get a smack on the wrist!!!

[MABg8ter]

Originally Posted by BluYa76

Yeah, but if you play for an NFL team and have money you'll get a smack on the wrist!!!

That's a sad truth there. Anyone remember when Hulk Hogan's ****ing moron son crashed his Supra street racing and crippled his passenger? If he had been someone without money, he'd be in jail right now. And of course the family sued them, and of course Hogan's high dollar attorney has kept them from paying out the huge amounts of money a normal person would be sued for...

But celebrities are an even more frustrating topic to talk about. Somehow it's some sort of tragedy when an NFL QB gets killed by one of the few women he is sleeping with, but when an NFL player runs over a guy in his Bentley it's no big deal.

[5litrarag]

Retain the best defense you can afford.

I throughly believe in this concept and have experienced it.

Thats the biggest difference between you and an NFL player. And you guys sound like you're bitter about it.

[scotth3886]

Yep, it's getting dangerous. This one could have really resulted in big problems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_-QuDsHM04

[Steelo08G8]

Originally Posted by drewdog

this idiot is next : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Chwi2ICBtIU

*****in reckless driving prick, i hope he gets pulled over and loses his license

That guy is reppin the G8 the wrong way with that music he was listening to. I wouldn't be caught dead jamming that **** out loud, much less if I am going to race.

[dal20402]

Originally Posted by drewdog

this idiot is next : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Chwi2ICBtIU

*****in reckless driving prick, i hope he gets pulled over and loses his license

+1. Much better that than him making himself or others into road pizza and raising all our insurance rates in the process. 95 mph on a neighborhood arterial street deserves jail time, if you ask me.

[Red888]

Originally Posted by oldstyle81

This post has to be the single most idiotic thing ive read in a very long time. The driver could very well have misjudged how fast they were going esp since im willing to bet at least 20+ over the speed limit. That is a lot of time esp since it was dark and its a lot harder to judge how fast oncoming traffic is in the dark compared to durning the day time.

DITTO! I've seen some ridiculous posts by MABg8ter, but that tops them all.

[slow84ta]

I've had a few street races in my day, but atleast it was in a area were only myself and the other racer could get hurt. Poeple need to learn and running a red, WTF?

I hope the families of the victim are ok

[chiefpontiac]

Okay, time for me to weigh in on this unfortunate and tragic event. Some of you won't like what I have to say, but you cannot even put me on ignore, so listen up.

Street racing is illegal everywhere. We do not support or condone it on this or any of thf forums in the Autoguide/Autoforum family. We entertain kill stories, but not street racing stories. There are tracks all across teh country, and parking lot slaloms where a driver's skills and a car's performance can be more safely tested. I'll admit up front that even under controlled situations accidents and death can occur at the track. But in this most recent situation related in the Denver Post a driver not involved in the illegal race was killed directly by the impact from one of the racing vehicles. His skill level and experience are not questioned, at 62 he had been driving for enough years to probably be where he was supposed to on the highway. Whether it was a G8 V6 against a V6 Cherokee or a G8 GXP against a Porsche Carrera is beside the point that the race was illegal, and according to charges filed, contributory to the fatal crash.

So give the family of the deceased some thought instead, and forget about taking it to the street. And that is the final word on this subject...for now.

[TheTugBoat]

Originally Posted by Rayvan

I always distrust green lights, and I always assume the worst in every other driver. It's what has kept me alive in 30 years of motorcycle riding.

After I had a mustang blow a red and t-bone me doin 60 almost killing the girl in my passenger seat I stopped trusting green lights. Part of being a good driver is protecting yourself against other drivers. That being said, don't street race around others not racing. Use proper judgment, don't let your ego get the best of you.