SAAB..... GM's newest victim! - Pontiac G8 Forum: G8 Forums

jackalope · 12-18-2009, 09:21 AM

I'm beginning to hate GM.

http://www.autoweek.com/article/2009...NEWS/912189997

**Dan@haggertypontiac.com** · 12-18-2009, 09:26 AM

Just keep in mind SAAB Auto is not SAAB Aerotech.

MDGeeTee · 12-18-2009, 09:34 AM

It was a doomed marriage to begin with. Saabs were quirky and cool cars back in the 80s and early 90s, but when is the last time anyone thought about buying one?

jackalope · 12-18-2009, 09:34 AM

I'm just keeping in mind all the people who get to try to find a new job for Christmas all cause GM can't manage itself any better then an 8 year old on allowance day. All those upper level morons getting multi million dollers a year to run GM straight into the ground.

I hope all those M Effers sleep well at night with the knowledge of all the hard working people and thier families that are now screwed as a direct result of thier piss poor management.

R.I.P. PONTIAC, SATURN, & SAAB

jackalope · 12-18-2009, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MDGeeTee

It was a doomed marriage to begin with. Saabs were quirky and cool cars back in the 80s and early 90s, but when is the last time anyone thought about buying one?

Most of GM's turbo development came from them. Hell pop the hood of a new Cobalt or HHR SS and you're basicly looking at a SAAB.

Perhaps · 12-18-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MDGeeTee

It was a doomed marriage to begin with. Saabs were quirky and cool cars back in the 80s and early 90s, but when is the last time anyone thought about buying one?

The Saabaru wrx clones were nice. Sleeper-status with guaranteed aftermarket support.

J Wikoff · 12-18-2009, 11:24 AM

The Turbo X was a contender for my money.

keglo69 · 12-18-2009, 11:28 AM

I drove the latest model Saab, and liked the car, solid, ran nice and was comfortable. The comment about the Executive Greedy Morons is right on target, do we honestly think GM would sell off a line and face competition. Shame on GM management and shame on Uncle Sam for meddling. There are still folks out of work, even with the bail out, Dodge is thinning the herd, and so it goes. Capitalism is in trouble.

pokey88 · 12-18-2009, 12:21 PM

I almost went with Saab 9-3 and European Delivery, but couldn't pull the plan together before GM canceled the Euro delivery. Saab was a close second to my G8 purchase. I also was a fan of the Olds Cutlass and 442's. GM Bastards.

PMD G8 · 12-18-2009, 09:53 PM

I actually think I've seen more GXPs on the road than I have new Saab models.

PMD G8 · 12-19-2009, 11:22 PM

Now it looks like the Swedish Government wants to try and save Saab.

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/12/19/r...als-could-saa/

r1owner · 12-20-2009, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by keglo69

I drove the latest model Saab, and liked the car, solid, ran nice and was comfortable. The comment about the Executive Greedy Morons is right on target, do we honestly think GM would sell off a line and face competition. Shame on GM management and shame on Uncle Sam for meddling. There are still folks out of work, even with the bail out, Dodge is thinning the herd, and so it goes. Capitalism is in trouble.

So how exactly is gov't meddling... you mean the multi billions they gave them? I don't see them making any day to day decisions with GM.

The Yeti · 12-20-2009, 01:54 AM

If the gov really cared about capitalism they would have bailed out the numerous other companies and retailers that went under. The Mervin's, Circuit City, Linens and Things and all these other chains that employed thousands upon thousands. What pisses me off is that it would have been much cheaper to bail those types of companies out and it would have definetly helped keep prices down with competition. The world is screwed up.

bondosgto · 12-20-2009, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Lazurus Man

If the gov really cared about capitalism they would have bailed out the numerous other companies and retailers that went under. The Mervin's, Circuit City, Linens and Things and all these other chains that employed thousands upon thousands. What pisses me off is that it would have been much cheaper to bail those types of companies out and it would have definetly helped keep prices down with competition. The world is screwed up.

you still have it wrong. if america (or president) cared about capitalism they would not have bailed out any company. THAT is capitalism.

r1owner · 12-20-2009, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by bondosgto

you still have it wrong. if america (or president) cared about capitalism they would not have bailed out any company. THAT is capitalism.

DING DING! we have a winner.....

Capitalisim on the way up..... socialisim on the way down.

RobertHammen · 12-20-2009, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Lazurus Man

If the gov really cared about capitalism they would have bailed out the numerous other companies and retailers that went under. The Mervin's, Circuit City, Linens and Things and all these other chains that employed thousands upon thousands. What pisses me off is that it would have been much cheaper to bail those types of companies out and it would have definetly helped keep prices down with competition. The world is screwed up.

If you think that Mervyn's, Circuit City, Linens and Things, etc. employment approaches anywhere near the 1-2 MILLION people who would have been out of work had the domestic auto and auto supplier industry collapsed, well...

orangeg8 · 12-20-2009, 02:48 AM

even capitalism needs help to grow. Nothing can be a true capitalist system as greed takes over, which caused GM/chrysler to be in this position, as well as the rest. Companies expanded for too much, or wasted way too much money on BS things.

jrc1122 · 12-20-2009, 09:45 AM

Joe's Philosophy time. Gather round!

-People need to realize that capitalism doesn't mean automatic success. Capitalism is just the way to live and die, to win and lose.

There is no system that everyone wins. And anyone telling you that is lying to your face.

I say SAAB going under is a perfect example of Capitalism. (except for the part about the government getting involved to force the issue...which I don't agree with)

The strongest voice in a TRUE Capitalist society is the consumer- but this can only be in a completely free society. Free to win, Free to lose, Free to earn, and Free to spend as you see fit.

If SAAB was GMs work horse and was a booming business and they were having trouble keeping the lots stocked because it was such a high demand item, then SAAB would still be here.
Consumer's weren't buying this product at the same rate they were buying the competition's products.

In all my years and all my cars I have ever had, I don't recall ever stopping at a SAAB dealership. And someone like me who has owned nearly 15 new cars or so. I would say that is saying something.

jrc1122 · 12-20-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by bondosgto

you still have it wrong. if america (or president) cared about capitalism they would not have bailed out any company. THAT is capitalism.

I am so happy that I am not the only person who understands this.
Kudos!!

100% pure capitalism is the only economic system that can reflect true freedom.
....and any infringement, bending of the principles, or "help" from the collective tax payer against their will (I.E TARP, bail outs etc) is chipping away at the foundation of capitalism and freedom.

And if someone wants to combat that philosophy, please do so with facts and not a bleeding heart response. Your bleeding heart "good" intentions can't legally infringe on my rights afforded to me by my Creator. (not the US Government)

And when tax payer money is taken by our government from us, and used for things that aren't specifically written in the US Constitution (by men who understood what freedom truly was and where freedom was derived from) by way of the Enumerated Powers. That is not just using a small chisel to the foundation of our freedom, It is like taking a Huge jack hammer to it.

PS - Non- partisan talk here, I don't care what political party your associate yourself with. This applies to everyone.

I don't expect nor want, anything from my neighbor that they aren't fully 100% willing to share or bargain with me for. I believe you earn it, you keep it. And under no circumstance should my money be TAKEN from me, and given to someone else.

If I want them to have it, I will donate it willingly and unforced. (And I would pick and choose who receives my charity)

Again, I am not talking about taxes for things that are listed specifically in the US constitution via the Enumerated Powers. I.E Army/ Navy. Judicial system, roads and highways for a better means of travel and commerce exchange.

I am talking about taking my tax dollars and giving it to other people so they can buy groceries, or pay their rent, medical bills. They aren't my responsibility. I am responsible for myself and my family, and if I choose to help others out, I should be able to freely choose who I want to help.

RANT OVER..

The difference in TRUE Community charity and Government Charity.

The Community, brings a person in, and says "Will you help?"
The Government brings a person in and says "YOU WILL help!"
--(modified quote from: Andrew Wilkhow from "The Wilkow Majority")

same exact words, one is true freedom representation, and one is coercion, by taking freedom's from one to give to another. The antithesis of freedom.
I'm sure you can figure out which is which.

Okay--- NOW RANT OVER....

PMD G8 · 12-20-2009, 10:14 AM

Spyker tries again:

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/12/20/s...-bid-for-saab/