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Old 12-30-2012, 09:30 PM   #1
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I am looking to start upgrading the speakers in the car. I have done the Bass Mod and Sub Wiring Mod, which improved things greatly, but still find the system lacking a nice clear powerful sound once the volume starts to creep up. My trunk is a often used part of the car so extra sub boxes are not an option.

I have little-to-no sound system knowledge other than the cheap stuff I threw into my cars when I was a kid. I don't mind doing the work but don't really know what I am looking for where equipment is concerned. To keep the options reasonable I would like to spend no more than $1000, preferably as little as possible.

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Old 12-31-2012, 12:37 AM   #2
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Buy 4 Polks or put components up front and cheaper ones in the back.
Find some good free air subs and use the factory amp on them and buy a 4 channel amp to run the 4 speakers.
That would be about the cheapest and easiest way.
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Old 12-31-2012, 01:33 AM   #3
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Buy 4 Polks or put components up front and cheaper ones in the back.
Find some good free air subs and use the factory amp on them and buy a 4 channel amp to run the 4 speakers.
That would be about the cheapest and easiest way.
This is a pretty good route to go. Way under the $1000 mark. If your like me and are too lazy and dont want to wire all speakers to an aftermarket amp you can pick up a mono amp for just the rear subs alone. I went this route, also adding 2 12" kickers in the trunk, but thats just me being excessive.
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Old 12-31-2012, 03:41 AM   #4
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i jus bought the alpine 3ways and components also took out my stock subs and put in 2 8 inch speakers and of course installed two 12' subs. but basically its all straight forward almost any name brand speaker is better than stock maybe we can split of the center speaker sicne u only need one lol
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Old 01-03-2013, 10:26 PM   #5
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I looked into all in one sub options for the trunk. there were some pretty respectable ones out there for decent price. I figured it would be stupid easy to install with the battery back there.
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I just put 4 Infinity Kappa 6.5 inch speakers in the doors and WOW talk about a world or difference! Its a shame you can't even do a small box in your trunk but I've heard Alpine has some nice free air 8 inch subs that work great in our car to replace the ones on the back deck.

But for a grand you can A LOT! I got the 2 sets of Infinity speakers for $160 and change with free shipping from sonic electronic.
I am looking at doing the same thing to my car. Do you have a link to them, and are these a direct replacement.
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How much difference does it make to have component speakers in the front doors and where have guys mounted the tweeter at.
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Buy 4 Polks or put components up front and cheaper ones in the back.
Find some good free air subs and use the factory amp on them and buy a 4 channel amp to run the 4 speakers.
That would be about the cheapest and easiest way.
i agree. find a nice component set for front and coaxial for rear. power them with a decent 4 channel. I have polks and no complaints but there are certainly others out there. You may not even need to amp them and be happy. Not a fan of open air however. Maybe consider a bass tube.

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How much difference does it make to have component speakers in the front doors and where have guys mounted the tweeter at.
all i know is that our car was designed for them. The install is not that much more difficult and it requires no cutting or drilling using the existing stock tweeter placement. This provides crisper highs and more midrange punch in the doors as its like having a mini sub. I have coaxials in the rear and they really dont sound great imo.
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all i know is that our car was designed for them. The install is not that much more difficult and it requires no cutting or drilling using the existing stock tweeter placement. This provides crisper highs and more midrange punch in the doors as its like having a mini sub. I have coaxials in the rear and they really dont sound great imo.

Are the rear doors also made to accept the components or should I just stick with the coaxials in the rear. Im not looking to go all out as I dont think I want to go through the hassle of amping the door speakers. And Ill probly just go with some decent free air subs in the stock location and let the stock amp power them.

I have kicked around the idea of trying to make a snail shell box to attach to the bottom side of the rear deck to help the rear subs give a little more punch without losing much trunk space.
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Jackalope, are you running those new speakers off of the stock amp? To hear that just the speakers would make a huge difference would be awesome.

If I have to start installing amps I'll have to track Scorpious down and lock him in a garage with the car, a case of beer and some pizza ;-)
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Was looking at Crutchfield for these speakers. Didn't have the 62.9i but do have 62.11i which might work and they're also 2 ohm for our stereo.
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Jackalopes speakers are on eBay and amazon for under $100.

If I went with these in the front doors, what would be a good option for better mid base in the rear doors? Assuming I have good 8's in the deck?

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The factory amps in the car drive stable into 2 ohms. Unless you want to split your ear drums you really don't need more power. These amps are fully capable of finding every resonance mode that your interior has. I worked on sound deadening the interior from road noise and gained 2 - 4 db of isolation. That's effectively getting the same amount of usable volume for 1/2 the amp power! For normal listening I used to put the radio on volume 8. Now I only need volume level 6.

For sound improvement I put Polk dB651's in the front doors and yanked out the $2 dual cones that came from the factory. I left the back door coaxials alone because all they need to provide is decent mid-bass and they actually hit a little lower than the Polks.

The other thing to do is stop using those cheapass infinite baffle subs on the rear deck. That rear deck vibrates like crazy and muddies the sound. I built a small rock solid box and put two 8" Polk DVC subs in the box. I fire the subs through the passenger opening and I form fitted the box to the opening so that no trunk sound leaks into the passenger compartment. At volume level 23 I can feel my back ribs being pelted by pressure waves from the sub. It's very clean. Anything more powerful might crush kidney stones!

Just remember, that loud doesn't always make a pleasing sound. But accurate sound at a volume level loud enough to get the human ear to its full frequency spectrum does make for a pleasing sound. At volumes louder than that the human ear will automatically lower its sensitivity level to protect itself and keep from overdriving the brain. Look up the physiology of sound and the human ear. There is a lot that most people don't know.
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I just put 4 Infinity Kappa 6.5 inch speakers in the doors and WOW talk about a world or difference! Its a shame you can't even do a small box in your trunk but I've heard Alpine has some nice free air 8 inch subs that work great in our car to replace the ones on the back deck.

But for a grand you can A LOT! I got the 2 sets of Infinity speakers for $160 and change with free shipping from sonic electronic.
Just club me over the head, take the $160 and throw it into the air. You're "wow" statement is going to make me spend more money. LOL
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I guess Jackalope beat me to the post. Like him, I am running the Infinity Kappa 62.9s in the front and rear. The sound is awesome and blows away the stock speakers. The center speaker gets louder with the new door speakers. So I bought an Infinity Kappa 32.9 to replace the center and will be using a 6 ohm resistor to tone it down a little. The stock center is junk so the Kappa should really clean it up. I eventually want to replace the subs, but don't want to lose my trunk. So I may end up getting better open air subs.
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Hey Blitz. Why not spend the money on your G8 before O"Malley finds a way to spend it for you. The Infinitys do kick ass. Installed mine today and probably dropping in the center tomorrow. And installing a center in Jackalopes car on Monday.
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I'm researching prices as we speak.
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Cool. I might do that for the hell of it, just for the fun and chit chat.
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I'm probably 15/20 min from there...but I live off of 4 (Pennsylvania Ave), south of Andrews AFB.
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Kew! I might've found some, but I can't tell if they priced in pairs or each.
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