Well let me add my $.02 worth here. I just sold my Evo VIII the beginning of this summer and when we sell our house () plan on getting a G8 GT or used GXP by that time. I have a couple friends with STi's as well as a buddy I raced with that owns a GTO, so I know feel I am pretty unbiased on my opinions. I used my car as a daily driver as well as raced it (well over 100 passes).
Anyone who compairs a Evo or STi to a Civic or calls it a Econobox Ricer has either never driven/riden in one or is just thick skulled and ignorant. The interior on the Evo is cheap and uninspiring I will admit but the STi is better, seats are among the best you will ever find. These cars are about performance though. Laugh all you want about the scoops and wings but if you took the time to look at the cars heritage or the performance facts you will realize they have a purpose.
There are very few cars out there period that could hang with a Evo when compairing all aspects, cost, performance, mpg, etc. 0-60 in 2.95, 1/4 mile in 10.6@131mph, 25-30mpg, stock block, tires, and interior, daily driver, and not one problem in 2 years of racing, all for less then $7k. Problem is these cars get a bad rap becuse they are in the Fast and Furious type movies which means you get all these young kids who go out and buy them and think they are badasses. The Subie isn't quite as easy to get the performance out of though, which is why I went with the Evo.
Now I know the G8 will never touch that car in shear fun or performance, but there are other reasons for a switch. The G8 is a much more refined car, interior is better, more room, and the cops won't be so attracted. The Evo/STi really isn't that small but now that I have 2 kids long trips in it did get tough. It was LOUD as well, between the exhaust and the open dump tube everyone in a 5 mile radius knew when I was on the road.
Ok, story over, sorry so long it just really bugs me when people bash a car or group of car owners when they really are blind to the truth.
amen. you pretty much hit the nail on the head.
thats how i feel reading some of the post here. theres alot of ignorance floating around here. it shows the kind of people who open minded and others that are just closed and just have a set perception of the world.
I was going to wait for the gxp also. Then I decided I actually wanted the taller 2.90 rear and dod for the better mpg. Also they reported that they would discontinue the mgm color which I wanted. Price was also an issue and I figured I could take the money I saved and mod the g8 to gxp levels in the areas I wanted.
I think you will happy with the g8 when you get it. By then you will know what you want to do as far as mods. You will probably be able to avoid some of the costly mistakes some of us have made (Magnaflow drone).
x-ray techs make good money from what I understand. Good career choice.
Ok guys, lets see some of those boosted g8 numbers!
Well let me add my $.02 worth here. I just sold my Evo VIII the beginning of this summer and when we sell our house () plan on getting a G8 GT or used GXP by that time. I have a couple friends with STi's as well as a buddy I raced with that owns a GTO, so I know feel I am pretty unbiased on my opinions. I used my car as a daily driver as well as raced it (well over 100 passes).
Anyone who compairs a Evo or STi to a Civic or calls it a Econobox Ricer has either never driven/riden in one or is just thick skulled and ignorant. The interior on the Evo is cheap and uninspiring I will admit but the STi is better, seats are among the best you will ever find. These cars are about performance though. Laugh all you want about the scoops and wings but if you took the time to look at the cars heritage or the performance facts you will realize they have a purpose.
There are very few cars out there period that could hang with a Evo when compairing all aspects, cost, performance, mpg, etc. 0-60 in 2.95, 1/4 mile in 10.6@131mph, 25-30mpg, stock block, tires, and interior, daily driver, and not one problem in 2 years of racing, all for less then $7k. Problem is these cars get a bad rap becuse they are in the Fast and Furious type movies which means you get all these young kids who go out and buy them and think they are badasses. The Subie isn't quite as easy to get the performance out of though, which is why I went with the Evo.
Now I know the G8 will never touch that car in shear fun or performance, but there are other reasons for a switch. The G8 is a much more refined car, interior is better, more room, and the cops won't be so attracted. The Evo/STi really isn't that small but now that I have 2 kids long trips in it did get tough. It was LOUD as well, between the exhaust and the open dump tube everyone in a 5 mile radius knew when I was on the road.
Ok, story over, sorry so long it just really bugs me when people bash a car or group of car owners when they really are blind to the truth.
FWIW, I've never said it wasn't a good performer. I'm fully aware of that. But, it'd have to run in the nines and pull a 2G skidpad before it'd be worth driving something that silly.
That car was so ugly, one time we looked outside and a cat was trying to bury it. It's Aztek ugly. Our security guy said that he could park it in the handicapped spaces (because he felt sorry for it). One time I walked by it with a gallon of milk, and it turned to yogurt instantly!
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I think that would be true if you could boost a g8 to the same psi levels, but I doubt you can. Also traction has to become a big issue when the boost is up.
Don't get me wrong I'm rooting for the g8 but I don't think it's that cut and dry. Please do prove me wrong though!
With bigger displacement you wouldnt have to boost the g8 to the same psi level to achieve the same hp gain... for example, boosting a sti or evo (4 cylinder) to 25 psi may give them 450 crank hp.... the g8with a turbo setup at 6psi would do that or most likely surpass it... again no replacement for displacement... im not bashing on evos or sti's as I love them very much, but there is only so much boosting you can do to keep up with a FI v8 in a heads up race.
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I agree with you on the displacement issue. How-ever that is just one variable. You need to also consider the weight (take for example how fast a lotus is with so little power) and how slow some of the old muscle cars with huge power can be when all they do is roast the tires.
This was about the sti vs the g8 in a straight line. How long is the line? I don't know, 1/4 mile? I have not searched, yet, but I would be willing to bet that there are no g8's to date that can match what the sti guys are doing. In time maybe they will toast them who knows but right now..............?
Either way I'm happy with my g8! I'll be happier when it's boosted though.
amen. you pretty much hit the nail on the head.
thats how i feel reading some of the post here. theres alot of ignorance floating around here. it shows the kind of people who open minded and others that are just closed and just have a set perception of the world.
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Anyone who compairs a Evo or STi to a Civic or calls it a Econobox Ricer has either never driven/riden in one or is just thick skulled and ignorant.
And then you have those that feel the need to justify their previous purchases. That includes their desire for a car that won't fit two guys with over 42" chests side by side in the front seats without rubbing shoulders. They get the econobox stigma because they ARE sub-compact in size.
Yup, they have great performance. But that's all they have. The G8 has more room, nearly as good fuel economy and better/more acceptable (arguably) looks. Top performance/mods are limited by how much you have to spend...just like every other car. I can pay for enough mods to make my G8 beat a WRX or Evo. I don't have enough money to make them comfortable for me and my family to fit in.
But, to each their own. I don't fit comfortably in them so I wouldn't consider them. And yes, I have ridden in/driven them, several times.
My coworker that owns one is driving me to my knee surgery in a week and a half. He'll be driving my Dakota Ext Cab because getting me in and out of his WRX will be near impossible with a leg brace on. We could do it with the G8 easily enough, but the truck sits higher so it's an easier in and out.
go to the beach in both cars and see who picks up the most chicks...
the STi looks like a joke
id rather take an EVO
your friend is an idiot, they are 2 different vehicles
Here's the real (critical) question: If I go to the beach looking to attract a hot 22 year old blonde with big...aspirations, will I fare better in my G8 or in an STI?
Here's the real (critical) question: If I go to the beach looking to attract a hot 22 year old blonde with big...aspirations, will I fare better in my G8 or in an STI?
You'll do far better with wit, charm, courtesy, and intelligence.
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They get the econobox stigma because they ARE sub-compact in size.
they get that designation because if you take just a Lancer or Impreza....what do you have?
an Econobox.
but the STi gets a bad rap because it honestly looks stupid silly to most people. I mean look, the EVO doesn't look nearly as bad, yes it does have an oversized wing but overall it looks acceptable. The STi has just an unacceptable amount of crap tacked onto it that really doesn't help it performance that much to justify the damn things. The bronze rims on them are also retarded.
saying that, i really like the Legacy GT, they did a good job on that car.
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Well you can argue the looks department as much as you like however, that is all based on personal opinion and you know what they say about those I loved the looks of my old Evo and to be honest I got an incredible amount of compliments, from both import and domestic owners.
I admit that interior room is smaller in the Evo/STi but they aren't even in the same class as a G8. Personally I'd rather have the seats out of the Evo as they fit me much better being a smaller build, the G8 I sat in had no side support.
The "no replacement for displacement" arguement is old. I admit if you were just out to make a dyno queen then the Evo wouldn't be able to touch a G8. You have to look at not only power but usable power and how well it puts it down. My Evo was running low 12's for under $1500, and low 11's for under $4k. Try doing that in a G8 reliably.
And in case anyone is insterested here's my old car at work:
saying that, i really like the Legacy GT, they did a good job on that car.
+1 I can't believe how well the Legacy looks and how bad the new STI is. We actually were looking at the Legacy but it is still alittle on the small side.
If you really NEED AWD, the Legacy GT is a nice car. (We have an '05 GT) Still needs some polishing, but overall, a nice car. Would like to see 30mpg, afterall, it is a 2.5L engine. Low 20's is not acceptable IMO.
It will surprise you on cooler days though. With a good dig in 2nd to 3rd, it keeps you planted rather well. They're hard to launch w/ boost, but when pullin, they do get up and go. Get them hot in stop and go, and you can really feel the heat sink.
I'd love to see a quieter/smoother package with better fuel efficiency.
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Well you can argue the looks department as much as you like however, that is all based on personal opinion and you know what they say about those I loved the looks of my old Evo and to be honest I got an incredible amount of compliments, from both import and domestic owners.
I admit that interior room is smaller in the Evo/STi but they aren't even in the same class as a G8. Personally I'd rather have the seats out of the Evo as they fit me much better being a smaller build, the G8 I sat in had no side support.
The "no replacement for displacement" arguement is old. I admit if you were just out to make a dyno queen then the Evo wouldn't be able to touch a G8. You have to look at not only power but usable power and how well it puts it down. My Evo was running low 12's for under $1500, and low 11's for under $4k. Try doing that in a G8 reliably.
And in case anyone is insterested here's my old car at work:
Considering a 2008 G8 GT is already ~$3.6K cheaper...$35.6K for a WRX, $33.6K for a Evo and $29.9K for the G8 GT (prices are retail from Cars Direct for 2008's across the board without options), that's an extra $3.6K for options. Add in the extra $4K and that goes a good ways towards a Pedders, Magnacharger, exhaust and tune.
And that's nowhere near a "dyno queen" as it will be a heck of a lot more streetable than a WRX or Evo with that $4K in it. Try it and then tell me which one you want as a daily driver or on a long highway trip and which one you'll want just for the dyno or track.
Considering a 2008 G8 GT is already ~$3.6K cheaper...$35.6K for a WRX, $33.6K for a Evo and $29.9K for the G8 GT (prices are retail from Cars Direct for 2008's across the board without options), that's an extra $3.6K for options. Add in the extra $4K and that goes a good ways towards a Pedders, Magnacharger, exhaust and tune.
And that's nowhere near a "dyno queen" as it will be a heck of a lot more streetable than a WRX or Evo with that $4K in it. Try it and then tell me which one you want as a daily driver or on a long highway trip and which one you'll want just for the dyno or track.
Well not sure about STi's but you could get into a new Evo for under $30k for any model year they've been out. Even if you would take the $3k you wouldn't be able to match the all around performance. Also tell me how it would be more "streetable" and a better daily? Mine was always a DD and made plenty of trips, all at alot more aggresive level then most here would ever see. Just the trip to and from the track was an hour each way and I drove it to and from every time with no changes.
Well not sure about STi's but you could get into a new Evo for under $30k for any model year they've been out. Even if you would take the $3k you wouldn't be able to match the all around performance. Also tell me how it would be more "streetable" and a better daily? Mine was always a DD and made plenty of trips, all at alot more aggresive level then most here would ever see. Just the trip to and from the track was an hour each way and I drove it to and from every time with no changes.
Streetable...able to briskly pull away from a light without having to rev into the boost range, able to survive potholed roads without your kidneys feeling like an MMA fighter is pummeling them, being able to give friends and family rides without them feeling like sardines riding on a skate board.
Detailed enough?
Like I said in the post, I went with the retail prices as listed at the same site for 2008's for all three. That was the fairest way to do it IMHO. Rebates, prices and offers are going to differ from place to place, dealer to dealer.
Streetable...able to briskly pull away from a light without having to rev into the boost range, able to survive potholed roads without your kidneys feeling like an MMA fighter is pummeling them, being able to give friends and family rides without them feeling like sardines riding on a skate board.
Yep, never had a problem with any of those things.
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Like I said in the post, I went with the retail prices as listed at the same site for 2008's for all three. That was the fairest way to do it IMHO. Rebates, prices and offers are going to differ from place to place, dealer to dealer.
Well anyone can find numbers that make their point look better. Looking at Edmunds.com has the Evo at $32,990 and the G8 at $31,555, not much of a difference.
I'm starting to feel some angst for some reason, can't we all just try get along before someone crosses the line?
Just debating with as much facts and experience and as little fanboi BS as possible.
It's all good. Nobody has yet to say "you're an idiot for even considering buying that" or "my dad can beat up your dad" so I think it's still rather civil at this point.
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) plan on getting a G8 GT or used GXP by that time. I have a couple friends with STi's as well as a buddy I raced with that owns a GTO, so I know feel I am pretty unbiased on my opinions. I used my car as a daily driver as well as raced it (well over 100 passes).
. The Evo/STi really isn't that small but now that I have 2 kids long trips in it did get tough. It was LOUD as well, between the exhaust and the open dump tube everyone in a 5 mile radius knew when I was on the road.
