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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 10-03-2016, 12:59 PM Thread Starter
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222k Vehicle Value with new LS3 thoughts

Well, as you may read I am awaiting the return of my 2008 G8 GT liquid red from the shop.
The wife has suggested getting a bigger family car... Tahoe or something of the like.
I don't think she is serious but I would like some input on real world value of the vehicle.

2008 G8 GT

The "Bad":
222K Miles
Rock chips to prove it, some clear peeling off the spoiler
a door ding, a roof ding, and scraped up underside of front bumper
a broken hazard button in radio head unit (still functional)

The Good:
4th owner (180k is HWY)
Almost all highway miles
No accidents
Trans and Diff Serviced at 200k (fluid colors looked good)
Front Pads/Rotors just done
New ACDelco Starter last year
Steering rack was replaced by previous owner
Rear pads/rotors 50%
Front strut bushings (Whiteline) just done
OEM 19 option wheels with no curb rash, but marks from lots of tire installs
Michelin tires 30% all around
Vararam intake is only mod
shocks are good, but rear springs have a little sag.
all door locks, windows, seats, tpms, etc work.

the Great:
Car is 100% unmolested except for vararam
BRAND NEW LS3/430 crate motor with GM transferable 36mo/100k PARTS warranty is being installed (lists at $8600 OTD + labor)
Interior seats look GREAT
Rest of paint looks really good


I'M NOT OFFERING TO SELL, OR REALLY INTERESTED, JUST CURIOUS WHAT WOULD A PRIVATE PARTY VALUE BE?
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post #2 of 14 (permalink) Old 10-03-2016, 01:14 PM
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That's going to be a tough one. If I had to guess, just a guess, I'd say $10,000-$11,000.

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post #3 of 14 (permalink) Old 10-03-2016, 02:22 PM Thread Starter
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I know "book value" says clean trade is 9k, and clean retail is 12k.

I am more interested in what board members would value it at, knowing the G8's rarity and niche market.

The car hasn't been aligned in 80,000 miles and still runs tires down perfectly even.
She is especially well taken care of with lots of documentation and an OEM engine warranty.

I have looked at many G8s with 50-100K miles and not found one this nice under $18-20k, but it's because she has rarely seen over 2,000rpm.

Other family cars are a 12 sec LS6 TA (nicer than my old bosses 02 Firehawk-his words, not mine) and a 1 owner 210k original engine/trans tahoe.

Do you think the car could bring $15?
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I doubt it would bring $15k just due to the miles. Even if it is getting a new engine, you're still on a 200k+ 6L80 with more power to it now. My guess would pulling $12k at most.

Now you said it's unmolested yet getting a new LS3 crate engine.. What's the story behind that?

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Picked up new LS3 crate motor for $5800 OTD. No way am I paying more for an L76, it's cheaper than a quality short block, and I want it "stock" since I already have a built AMG killer.
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Just an FYI the engine will only have a 2yr/50K mile warranty from GM.
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Well the dealer said 3/100 because it was coming as a Chevy SS motor, pan and all... but like anything coming from a dealer, I'll believe it when I see the paperwork.
Thanks for the heads up Greg.

EDIT:
I think your right, the part number is for the crate motor, not 19256529 (the long block).
Guess that means it comes with new intake, throttle body, coils, plugs/wires, water pump, sensors, injectors, fuel rail, manifolds, etc.

Even better, since it was still on the original water pump and balancer...

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GM doesn't care what the engine is sourced from. Only the vehicle vin it is going into and the part number sold.

So if you were sold the performance part number and putting it into your G8 the warranty is 2yr/50K.

Just keep your sales receipt as that is your warranty.

3yr/100K would have only been for the stock replacement 6.0L engine, but the performance versions are a great option since the engine is a drop in fit for the 2009.5 GT's. If you have a 2008-2009 you will need to swap the oil pressure sensor or change your connector on your harness, and buy a 2009.5 upper rad hose.

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Had planned on swapping sensor or just buying new one,
and supposed to have to swap over the TB for tuning...
but the hose I can't locate.
The replacement hose is
92457865?
... And have to remind them to drain the tank and put 93 in it
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I am in a similar situation as the OP. I have a 2009 GT that I bought new with 215,000 miles now. I had to replace the engine at 150k when it blew and managed to destroy a cylinder wall. Replaced with new L76 through dealer (3yr/100k warranty).

I commute about 150 miles each day, which explains my mileage. People cannot believe the car has that many miles when you look at it, inside or out. Heck, the interior looks as good as it did new.

I want to try to sell it, but I know the miles are really going to scare people. I am shocked to see some used ones with less than 100k going in the $17,000 range...maybe the perk of having a rare vehicle.

Good luck with your attempt to sell!
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My commute is only 60, but I do travel a lot. I have experience years ago as a classic car inspector and am spoiled by knowing miles are an indicator of not much.... But most people care about perceived value, rather than actual value. It's the superficial world we live in.

Miles don't tell you if it had rabbit starts, how hard they drove it on a cold engine. They don't tell you maintenance neglect, esp of fluid intervals. They don't tell you whether the person put the cheapest parts on it, or ignored problems. Ordinary miles are an indicator of "expected wear", which most people assume guarantees "care" but it is far from it.

Further, I can absolutely say that the one thing worse for a car than high miles, is no miles. Sitting ruins mechanical parts that require lubrication; upon restart, significant wear occurs. And it's not that great for electrical parts either.

Just google the story about the Florida businessman who put 700,000 miles on a LS1 corvette in 15 years. And some of our work vehicles are over 400,000. The only way to have "peace of mind" in a car is if you live in a rental.

But I'm more worried about another deer, or careless driver totaling a car of ours and being told here's .50 on the dollar.
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$11-12 sounds realistic due to the miles on the chassis. I also replaced my engine with an LS3 recently, one of the best mods I'd done to that point. I put a cam in it before we dropped the engine in too.


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$7,500-$10,000...

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Tell us more about the new ls3 for $5800 OTD.
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Picked up new LS3 crate motor for $5800 OTD. No way am I paying more for an L76, it's cheaper than a quality short block, and I want it "stock" since I already have a built AMG killer.

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