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You mean the 06's? Still selling new. Never was a program for a new edition, not even based on the Camaro. But this, this spells GTO for et hfuture and hits Mustang squarely in the front fender brake vents.

Another article here http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2573FD007CF5B6
Are you saying somewhere out there dealers still have New 06 GTO's ?

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Are you saying somewhere out there dealers still have New 06 GTO's ?
Duh!

Anyone want a blue one I'll hook you up. (might finally be gone - was there before New Years, anyway - and it was there before Christmas)

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Wow! That looks amazing.
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Duh!

Anyone want a blue one I'll hook you up. (might finally be gone - was there before New Years, anyway - and it was there before Christmas)

Here's a quick photoswap into a LHD.

Duh?

I guess I should have known that, huh ? I guess I need to spend more time on the internet and less time doing something productive.

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Hell yes!

The coupe has to be much lighter than the sedan right? 300 lbs?

I don't care what you call it G8C - GTO - Firebird...

GM needs to bring this over with some smaller engines to offset CAFE so they can make this happen.

Bring it over with:
G8C - Turbo 4 for $24k base - 30 hwy mpg for CAFE - high volume
G8C GT - Supercharged V6 for $27k base - 27 hwy mpg for CAFE - medium volume
G8C GXP - Supercharged 6.0 for $35k loaded - 25 hwy mpg - low volume

Now that would be Pontiac Excitement!

Don't yell at me for the numbers, I didn't do any research, they are just off the top of my head.
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i liek your idea except for the GT having a 6 banger in it. they should put a v6 in the base, a good V-8 in the GT and have a limtied run of high performance ones. dont call it a G8 C or GTO. just G8. shouldnt have to call it a coupe or anything special. jsut offer it in a coupe. that car is hot.

as for it beign a new GTO, hate to say it butthe same thing would probably happen. the older guys would complain it doesnt look like a GTO etc etc. had the GTO stayed around like the mustang had, i dont think people would have a problem. but i want this car here in america!
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There may not have been a program, but the idea was "cancelled"


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If Holden builds this they won't need the CTS coupe.

Holden will be developing a high output V6 for install in their equivalent of eth CTS-V. They will be getting teh DI version that we see here in 4 doors, but it's already been stated by Bob Lutz that the "V" cannot be converted to RHD.
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You mean the 06's? Still selling new. Never was a program for a new edition, not even based on the Camaro. But this, this spells GTO for et hfuture and hits Mustang squarely in the front fender brake vents.

Another article here http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2573FD007CF5B6
wow everybody is out to get the Mustang......i guess that is what happens when there is no competition for 4 years

(not directed to you, just general thinking of people here) why do you see so many Mustangs? it was the only choice for 4 years, don't hate on it just because GM nor Dodge had a V8 car for under 30k

after saying that, i would take a GTO over the new Mustang, but you can't just hate it because its every where

as much as i like this 60 coupe, i doubt that we will see it here anytime sooner than 2 years, it has not even gone into production anywhere, i hope im wrong cause i would like to see them on the road

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wwhys everyone hating on mustangs! lol (i drive one)
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^^thats too bad for you then mate,....

This is just another classic expmple of the boys getting the right idea as far as design goes... thats thing is so sick.

SO the new big wig for GM Holden is a seppo!!! Interesting... anyone else see that?? And he said this is a present for the 60th ann to the WORLD!!! Not just back home.... I bet they do bring it over here but I bet the seats will be optional...

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Are you saying somewhere out there dealers still have New 06 GTO's ?
Dealers still have new 05s, my cousin is picking one up this weekend. Black with red auto, 10 miles on it. They also have a yellow with 100 miles on it
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There is already a petition started to build it:

http://www.petitiononline.com/coupe60/petition.html

Hope this makes it into the Pontiac lineup!


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Subtract the gee-whiz, show-car tricks (side exhaust, rear diffuser tray, flat-bottom steering wheel, etc.) and you are looking at the car we called the GMX282 program (AKA GTO) until March, 2005, when both this and the sedan version were cancelled. Remember we were going to build these in North America originally, not in Adelaide, which hurt the business case at that time.

I agree on the looks - this coupe is so well integrated from every view. Problem was, US Design was busy adding phoney hood scoops and other GTO "cues" right before the project was cancelled, which ruined the purity of the Holden design concept.

Kudos to Holden Design for showing this car finally, but it has some strikes against it on the road to production:
1. CAFE rules make cars like this seem like dinosaurs.Yes, it would be low-volume, so it wouldn't affect CAFE too much, but that argues against a reasonable business case for the project.
2. Since this was styled back in 2004 (yes, 2004), the public might reject this "old" design, just like they did the first-gen GTO, which had been on the Oz market for two years before we got it.
3. Chevy outmuscled Pontiac and displaced this coupe with their Camaro concept; is there room in the market (read: enough sales) for two GM coupes?
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Subtract the gee-whiz, show-car tricks (side exhaust, rear diffuser tray, flat-bottom steering wheel, etc.) and you are looking at the car we called the GMX282 program (AKA GTO) until March, 2005, when both this and the sedan version were cancelled. Remember we were going to build these in North America originally, not in Adelaide, which hurt the business case at that time.

I agree on the looks - this coupe is so well integrated from every view. Problem was, US Design was busy adding phoney hood scoops and other GTO "cues" right before the project was cancelled, which ruined the purity of the Holden design concept.

Kudos to Holden Design for showing this car finally, but it has some strikes against it on the road to production:
1. CAFE rules make cars like this seem like dinosaurs.Yes, it would be low-volume, so it wouldn't affect CAFE too much, but that argues against a reasonable business case for the project.
2. Since this was styled back in 2004 (yes, 2004), the public might reject this "old" design, just like they did the first-gen GTO, which had been on the Oz market for two years before we got it.
3. Chevy outmuscled Pontiac and displaced this coupe with their Camaro concept; is there room in the market (read: enough sales) for two GM coupes?
The Cadillac CTS would make the argument yes, there is room for two.

Room for three? Now that would probably be pushing it.

Does Holden have capacity to even run a Pontiac RWD coupe along with the other models? Assuming also this is sold as a Holden Monaro down under.

They would be building the Commodore, Lumina, G8, UTE, G8 ST, Monaro and G8 Coupe, plus others I'm sure that I'm unaware of or forgetting. Do they also build the Vauxhall?

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Duh!

Anyone want a blue one I'll hook you up. (might finally be gone - was there before New Years, anyway - and it was there before Christmas)

Here's a quick photoswap into a LHD.

Sure give us the info on the new 2006 Blue GTO you know about. Very interested.
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You're making it like they build each car on a separate line. No.

If they tool up for a Manaro, then they could tool up for a G8 Coupe (assuming it was even planned). ITs not "would they have enough capacity?" Its "Would they have enough volume."

If the demand is there, they will build it. If not, they won't.


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Subtract the gee-whiz, show-car tricks (side exhaust, rear diffuser tray, flat-bottom steering wheel, etc.) and you are looking at the car we called the GMX282 program (AKA GTO) until March, 2005, when both this and the sedan version were cancelled. Remember we were going to build these in North America originally, not in Adelaide, which hurt the business case at that time.

I agree on the looks - this coupe is so well integrated from every view. Problem was, US Design was busy adding phoney hood scoops and other GTO "cues" right before the project was cancelled, which ruined the purity of the Holden design concept.

Kudos to Holden Design for showing this car finally, but it has some strikes against it on the road to production:
1. CAFE rules make cars like this seem like dinosaurs.Yes, it would be low-volume, so it wouldn't affect CAFE too much, but that argues against a reasonable business case for the project.
2. Since this was styled back in 2004 (yes, 2004), the public might reject this "old" design, just like they did the first-gen GTO, which had been on the Oz market for two years before we got it.
3. Chevy outmuscled Pontiac and displaced this coupe with their Camaro concept; is there room in the market (read: enough sales) for two GM coupes?
That's the problem with GM - it takes waaay too long to get a car into production. One of the mistakes that Lutz talks about the GTO is that it was a dated design by the time it got to the US. The bean counters still control the company to its own detriment - in this day and age of CAD/CAM it shouldn't take five years from idea to job #1. Look at the Camaro, they're still messing with it.
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Look at the Camaro, they're still messing with it.
And will be for at least another year!
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