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PONTIAC - Was Alive and Kickin' When First Posted; Not Now

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By Susan Docherty
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We’ve been receiving a lot of communication recently from of our Pontiac dealers and owners regarding all of the negativity in the media surrounding our brand. It seems as though everyone is getting into the spirit, reporting speculation as fact, and writing Pontiac’s epitaph.

The only problem is that it’s wrong. Pontiac is alive and kicking, and we are still part of GM’s future plans.

Now, we are not denying that automotive industry is hurting right now and we are all going to have to make some sacrifices to get through the worst global economic downturn in over 50 years. GM’s recent submission of a more detailed long-term viability plan to the U.S. Congress clearly spells out a number of actions we are taking to deal with that new reality, including shedding nearly 20 percent of our workforce and exploring other options for the Hummer, Saab, and Saturn brands.

But that plan also clearly focuses on the single item that will make us a success in the future - great products. Pontiac definitely has a role to play there, although it’s going to mean some changes. And change, as we all know, can be difficult, especially when you’re dealing with an 83-year old American icon.

I’ll tell you up front that we don’t have every detail finalized, but let’s address the facts and sort out what we do know from what we’re still working on.

First, very little is changing in the near term. Pontiac will continue to offer the G5, G6, G8, Solstice and Vibe, and we’re adding the economical G3. Pontiac’s top reason for purchase is “fuel economy” and we won’t disappoint with four of our six entries getting over 32 miles per gallon on the highway.

The Pontiac Torrent will be discontinued to enable the brand to “focus” on cars. But the good news is that a new, five-passenger crossover SUV entry will soon be found at GMC … stay tuned.

In the future, Pontiac will have fewer nameplates. Just how many and what they will look like is still under study.

Again, we know that we don’t have all of the answers right now and that can be very uncomfortable, but we refuse to let media speculation and negativity make up our minds for us.

Pontiac still has a mission in the BPG channel and it’s one that a very dedicated team of engineers, marketers, and dealers is determined to complete successfully, one step at a time.
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By Susan Docherty
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Pontiac still has a mission in the BPG channel and it’s one that a very dedicated team of engineers, marketers, and dealers is determined to complete successfully, one step at a time.
Pontiac still has a mission? It might help if you articulate what it is this week. Then, maybe you can figure out what products will help fulfill that mission.
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They are waiting for congress to tell them what their mission is.
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God I hope not. Unless it involves spending money, congress couldn't decide to do anything.
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It's good to hear some good new's on Pontiac's behalf.

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Pontiac still has a mission? It might help if you articulate what it is this week. Then, maybe you can figure out what products will help fulfill that mission.
That's Susan's quote. For the time being Pontiac's mission appears to be to stick around with a full complement of vehicles through their current life-cyles. The ONLY Pontiac in production to get the official axe is the Torrent. Yes, I'd rather have the G8 ST coming instead of the G3, but what if SLP or someone else got their hands one of these little puppies or a Vibe and worked some real magic.
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Yes, I'd rather have the G8 ST coming instead of the G3, but what if SLP or someone else got their hands one of these little puppies or a Vibe and worked some real magic.
What? And made it into a G8 ST?!?! That would take more than magic! More like a miracle!
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What? And made it into a G8 ST?!?! That would take more than magic! More like a miracle!
Nah, I mean something to take on Mini Cooper Works and Impreza WRX. Even a Camaro SS (and Mustang GT) have their hands full up against a WRX. Regardles of what models are in Pontiac's lineup there should be GXP version of each.
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Nah, I mean something to take on Mini Cooper Works and Impreza WRX. Even a Camaro SS (and Mustang GT) have their hands full up against a WRX. Regardles of what models are in Pontiac's lineup there should be GXP version of each.
With all the work needed to make a competitor to these two of the G3, would make it a $20K car easy! Know anybody that would spend that much on a rebadged Aveo? We could debate this forever, but what would be a lot more interesting would be to debate the final makeup of Pontiac, after GM has its mind made up by the Obama people!
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That's Susan's quote. For the time being Pontiac's mission appears to be to stick around with a full complement of vehicles through their current life-cyles. The ONLY Pontiac in production to get the official axe is the Torrent. Yes, I'd rather have the G8 ST coming instead of the G3, but what if SLP or someone else got their hands one of these little puppies or a Vibe and worked some real magic.
Sorry, I've seen both extremes with Pontiac, and when they've tried to make magic on a poor chassis, it hasn't worked. On the other hand, Pontiac over the years occasionally has had a good chassis to work with and has built some great cars. G8 being the latest. I'd rather see a well thought out model that has good performance characteristics and is somewhat unique to Pontiac than a hopped up poorly designed car.
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Make sure that Pontiac's future mission includes cars like the G8. It is the best car I have ever had and the ultimate performance/style/luxury bang for the buck.
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Thanks! However, most of it is old news. Nothing really new, just rehashed from other sources and presented in a more mainstream media source, CNN. The real news will be from what the manufacturers have to say about the CAFE rules released today raising auto fleet CAFE to 30.2 MPG by 2011! Oh, and also what the Obama auto group has to say about the remake of GM and Chrysler on Monday/Tuesday!
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A sporty Astra-based turbo-charged G3 would make a lot more sense than an Aveo-based econobox.

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A Firebird version of the Camaro Zeta car would be nice, heck even if it was called a rebadge.

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I like the idea of keeping the RWD Zeta cars around, but don't think a downsized G8 will be good. I do however like the idea of a G8 with a base engine of a turbocharged V-6.

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Glad to hear some good news about Pontiac. I lost interest in their cars several years ago but had to get the G8.


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Downsizing the G8 wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. There's plenty of room to spare and still be more roomy than most cars. It'd be awesome if they could knock off a couple hundred pounds.

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I would think whether I liked a downsized G8 would depend greatly on how they downsized it. Just reducing the overall exterior size would not be bad, as long as they kept the interior space and RWD. The trunk is huge and could be made a little smaller, and depending on the engines they used, the front could be shortened also. Any of this to reduce the overall size and weight would be great! But, all of this would have to match the engine size, V6 or V8, in order to keep the performance the same as the current car, or better!
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