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Hey guys, will be doing the complete DOD delete sometimes this Fall or next Spring and just wanted to post everything I will be getting. I also have a few questions that will be highlighted in bold. Yes, I already did some research but I am still confused on some topics. Internals are a bit more complicated than bolt-ons...

So here is the list I came up with my tuner :

1) DOD Delete kit from G8 Only

-BTR Stage 3 Cam
-GM LS7 Lifters or Johnson 2110R Lifters
-BTR .660 Platinum Spring Kit w/Titanium Retainers
-7.400 BTR Chromoly Pushrods

-LS3 Valley Cover (Includes Gasket)
-(2) Chevrolet Performance LS3 Multilayer Head Gasket
-(4) Bulk GM Lifter Tray Guides
-(2) Header Gaskets
-BTR Timing Cover Damper Seal
-BTR Timing Cover Gasket
-GM LS2/LS3/LS7 Timing Chain Dampener
-GM 3 Bolt Cam Gear
-ARP LS Cam Bolts
-Chevrolet Performance HD Timing Chain
-Oil Pickup Tube O-Ring
-(2) GM Water Pump Gasket
-ARP Balancer Bolt
-ARP Head Bolts and/or Studs
-GM Regular Oil Pump
-GM LS Oil Pan Gasket
-Blind Sealing Plugs (8)

Questions :

-LS7 Lifters OR Johnson 2110R Lifters ?

My tuner and BTR said the LS7 lifters would be just fine but numerous people reported the Johnsons being the most reliable option. Thoughts?

-Do I need both ARP Head Bolts AND Studs? or are the Studs just an upgrade over the Bolts?

-BTR GM LS Rocker Arm Trunnion Kit OR Smith Brothers Bronze Bushing Trunnion Upgrade Kit? Seems like the same thing to me. Is the Smith Brothers an upgrade over the BTR?

-Do I need LS3 Valves with a BTR Stage 3?


2) Circle D 245mm Pro Series 6L80E Torque Converter

-Stall Option : 3700-3800RPM

Questions :

-Single disk lock up or 3 disk lock up? No idea what that means.

-Tuner recommended Yank but can't seem to find one with 3800 option.


3) 3.27 Camaro LSD Rear Differential

Questions :

-Any better gear option for my specific setup?

-I have read it's a straight replacement, is that correct?


4) Transmission Cooler OR Camaro Transmission Oil Pan OR Both?

-This is a question itself. Tuner recommended the Cooler.


Final Question!

-I will also be replacing all the belts/tensioner/pulley. Anything else I should be focusing on for reliability or "while we are there kind of thing"? ANYTHING ELSE I'M FORGETTING?

-Will be keeping stock suspension and stock brake system for now, car has very low mileage and I don't plan on driving it like a maniac. Brakes and handles well for now.

I know this is a lot of questions but some help would be very helpful. Not a lot of knowledgeable people in my area and I don't want to bother my tuner with all those questions since I'm getting the parts myself. He could get them for me but the Canadian retailer was almost double the price.

This thread could also serve as future reference. Thank you guys.

2009 SRM PONTIAC G8 GT
VCM OTR Cold Air Intake
Kooks Long Tube Headers / HF Cats
Solo Mach Shorty Catback
Continental Extreme Contact DWS6 Tires
Shadow Chrome Camaro SS Wheels
91 Octane Tune @ JLS Tuning Performance

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I'm in the middle of my build and noticing one thing missing on your list.... the 8 oil galley plugs or rivets needed under the valley tray. I just ordered mine this morning.
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Ditch the high volume oil pump. DOD engines already have them installed. Replace it with a standard pump, its all you need and it uses less HP to operate.

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I'm in the middle of my build and noticing one thing missing on your list.... the 8 oil galley plugs or rivets needed under the valley tray. I just ordered mine this morning.
Thank you, will add it to the list!

2009 SRM PONTIAC G8 GT
VCM OTR Cold Air Intake
Kooks Long Tube Headers / HF Cats
Solo Mach Shorty Catback
Continental Extreme Contact DWS6 Tires
Shadow Chrome Camaro SS Wheels
91 Octane Tune @ JLS Tuning Performance
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Seems like the kit at Blue Line Performance is pretty damn good as well, gives the option to add Stall AND Transmission Cooler AND upgrade to Johnsons...Interesting.

2009 SRM PONTIAC G8 GT
VCM OTR Cold Air Intake
Kooks Long Tube Headers / HF Cats
Solo Mach Shorty Catback
Continental Extreme Contact DWS6 Tires
Shadow Chrome Camaro SS Wheels
91 Octane Tune @ JLS Tuning Performance

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Anyone else has thoughts/inputs? Any help is appreciated!

2009 SRM PONTIAC G8 GT
VCM OTR Cold Air Intake
Kooks Long Tube Headers / HF Cats
Solo Mach Shorty Catback
Continental Extreme Contact DWS6 Tires
Shadow Chrome Camaro SS Wheels
91 Octane Tune @ JLS Tuning Performance
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Questions :

-LS7 Lifters OR Johnson 2110R Lifters ?

My tuner and BTR said the LS7 lifters would be just fine but numerous people reported the Johnsons being the most reliable option. Thoughts?

I started with the Delphi LS7 lifters, now upgrading tot he Johnson 2110's (not the 2110R). If you have the extra money, I'd go for it as insurance.

-Do I need both ARP Head Bolts AND Studs? or are the Studs just an upgrade over the Bolts?

Pick one or the other. Studs are the upgrade to the bolts. Won't need studs unless boosted.

-BTR GM LS Rocker Arm Trunnion Kit OR Smith Brothers Bronze Bushing Trunnion Upgrade Kit? Seems like the same thing to me. Is the Smith Brothers an upgrade over the BTR?

BTR uses a bearing whereas Smith Brothers uses a bushing. The bushing style will be stronger. The bearing will last longer, and make less noise. I'd go bearing.

-Do I need LS3 Valves with a BTR Stage 3?

Not unless you want to. LS3 valves will gain you a bit of RPM before valve float, but how often are you going to be running above 6000 rpm. I kept the stock valves for strength.

2) Circle D 245mm Pro Series 6L80E Torque Converter

-Stall Option : 3700-3800RPM

Questions :

-Single disk lock up or 3 disk lock up? No idea what that means.

All "modern" torque converters have lockup plates to "lock" the converter like a clutch. A single disk is the stock format, and is only made to be locked under light load/cruising. A multi-disk can be locked under WOT, and will gain you some mph in the 1/4. Downside is that they can be more harsh. You CAN lock a single disk under WOT (part of the tune), but it's the a question how long it will last.

-Tuner recommended Yank but can't seem to find one with 3800 option.

Yank could spec one for you.

3) 3.27 Camaro LSD Rear Differential

Questions :

-Any better gear option for my specific setup?

Not sure. I still have 2.92

-I have read it's a straight replacement, is that correct?

Yes

4) Transmission Cooler OR Camaro Transmission Oil Pan OR Both?

-This is a question itself. Tuner recommended the Cooler.

Both


Final Question!

-I will also be replacing all the belts/tensioner/pulley. Anything else I should be focusing on for reliability or "while we are there kind of thing"? ANYTHING ELSE I'M FORGETTING?

Water pump?
Starter?
Motor mounts?
Upgraded AC bracket?
Check your steering rack and lines for leaks (mine was leaking at the cooler. I put in a small standalone)

Are you doing the work, or taking it to a shop? If you're doing the work, there are a bunch of tools/tips/tricks to make life easier.

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DOD-delete, , Roto-Fab, BLP Ported Intake and Throttle Body, Kooks 1-7/8 long tubes, XForce Varex Catback, ZL1 Converter, Elite E2 Catch Can, HSRK, Camaro Trans Pan/Filter, GXP Brembos, Cold Case Radiator
Breyton GTS-AV Wheels, 6k HIDs, Holden Steering Wheel and Paddle Shifters, Eibach Springs, 35% Tint
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Seems like the kit at Blue Line Performance is pretty damn good as well, gives the option to add Stall AND Transmission Cooler AND upgrade to Johnsons...Interesting.
Both Blue Line and G8Only use the BTR "kit". When you order, the parts will come from BTR.

FWIW - I went with BLP's upgraded kit.

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Both Blue Line and G8Only use the BTR "kit". When you order, the parts will come from BTR.

FWIW - I went with BLP's upgraded kit.
Thank you so much for your time and the precious information, really appreciate it. My tuner will be doing the work.

What size transmission cooler would you recommend for that setup?

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VCM OTR Cold Air Intake
Kooks Long Tube Headers / HF Cats
Solo Mach Shorty Catback
Continental Extreme Contact DWS6 Tires
Shadow Chrome Camaro SS Wheels
91 Octane Tune @ JLS Tuning Performance
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Thank you so much for your time and the precious information, really appreciate it. My tuner will be doing the work.

What size transmission cooler would you recommend for that setup?
No problem.

What is your intended trans cooling setup? Stock cooler is in the bottom of the radiator. GXP came with an aux cooler, after the radiator. That setup if pretty common, and as an example, BLP's plug-and-play cooler is setup that way. If you go with that, a 15,000 - 20,000 btu cooler is good.

On the flip side, my car is setup with a standalone cooler (doesn't go into the bottom of the radiator at all). I have a 15,000 btu cooler, and it often runs a bit hotter than I would like. It also can take awhile to warm up in cold weather. The pros to standalone are not having to deal with trans fluid if you have to mess with your radiator, and when setup correctly, can keep things cooler, since the radiator can add heat to your fluid.

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Breyton GTS-AV Wheels, 6k HIDs, Holden Steering Wheel and Paddle Shifters, Eibach Springs, 35% Tint
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I have an odd question, but wouldn't ZL1 converter be a good choice for the BTR stage 3? Since the camaro ZL1 has about 580hp on an LS3. I can't imagine it being unable to handle the power of a N/A 6L.

I'm doing similar set up as the OP, but really want stock-like driveablity.
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