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Hi all I have another post going about me removing my oil pump and found the only thing wrong is the O-ring seems to be square and hard and fits into the oil tube loosely. But now after examining the crank that I pulled off the crank to do the oil pump seems to have a seal stuck to it with the timing cover gasket under that. I’ve never seen the timing cover gasket come off with the harmonic balancer. Any input on what happened
 

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On the front between the bolt and harmonic balancer is a washer. On the back is a crankshaft seal i.e. front cover seal.
 

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On the front between the bolt and harmonic balancer is a washer. On the back is a crankshaft seal i.e. front cover seal.
OK but what is that little seal that I’m showing in the picture that I’m lifting off of the crank. It appears to be three pieces that top piece that I am lifting off something in the middle that’s holding the timing cover seal on.
 

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If I am reading your question right ,
The " thing " on the end is the diamond dust coated friction washer.
It is there to help the non keyed damper not slip be locking it to the oil pump drive.

Why your seal is stuck on the damper and spinning in the cover , dont know .
You need to pry it off , clean and inspect the damper surface.
 

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If I am reading your question right ,
The " thing " on the end is the diamond dust coated friction washer.
It is there to help the non keyed damper not slip be locking it to the oil pump drive.

Why your seal is stuck on the damper and spinning in the cover , dont know .
You need to pry it off , clean and inspect the damper surface.
Exactly so that washer just clips to the end of the harmonic balancer correct and then you press it back in. I didn’t realize that the oil seal is hard as a rock that’s why it wouldn’t come off but after pulling on the path that little bubble section on the cranI didn’t realize that the oil seal is hard as a rock that’s why it wouldn’t come off but after pulling on the path that little bubble section on Harmonic balancer. The balancer does have somewhere on it which I cleaned up with some fine sandpaper. Do you think that we are Little see you at the end would have anything to do with oil pressure
 

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That looks like a mechanical seal. Every water pump has one. I've never seen one used in that location but I don't see why it couldn't be used there. I wish I could see how it all went together.
 

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That looks like a mechanical seal. Every water pump has one. I've never seen one used in that location but I don't see why it couldn't be used there. I wish I could see how it all went together.
The way you see it in the picture is the way that the polar pulled it off of the car. I’m hoping that the placement is correct because that’s how I plan on putting it back together.
 

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The friction washer , the rubber ring is only there to hold it in place on the damper lip.
The rubber has nothing to do with sealing.

Your actual crank seal, again your photos suck :) but it looks like a teflon seal .
Identified by a quite stiff - non garter spring lip.
Almost looks like plastic.
This type the interface between seal lip and damper must be bone dry, anyone that tells you different should be ignored.
Post a GOOD photo of your new seal.
 

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This is what a new balancer looks like.

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Looks like the metal cover came off your part and is in the timing cover. In your pictures, the part looks to be put together correctly.

I used to be an automotive mechanical seal engineer years ago so I find this setup very interesting.
 

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T-Type , are you referring to the " thing " on the end ?
If so I repeat
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The friction washer , the rubber ring is only there to hold it in place on the damper lip.
The rubber has nothing to do with sealing."
There is no corresponding - mating part to it .

If I misunderstood you you, please explain further.
 

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I'm talking about the entire assembly attached to the balancer. If I'm right about the assembly being a mechanical seal, the "thing" you are talking about is just a part of the assembly. But as I said I'm not familiar with this assembly and I wish I could see it in person. I absolutely could be wrong about it being a mechanical seal. But it sure looks like one in the picture to me.

Though now that I think about it, I do remember a 90's Corvette that used a mechanical seal to seal the crank in the timing cover. But that was an oddball one off at the time.
 

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I'm talking about the entire assembly attached to the balancer. If I'm right about the assembly being a mechanical seal, the "thing" you are talking about is just a part of the assembly. But as I said I'm not familiar with this assembly and I wish I could see it in person. I absolutely could be wrong about it being a mechanical seal. But it sure looks like one in the picture to me.

Though now that I think about it, I do remember a 90's Corvette that used a mechanical seal to seal the crank in the timing cover. But that was an oddball one off at the time.
There definitely is a timing cover seal which you can see on the harmonic balancer in the picture the seal that I’m talking about is that washer with the rubber on it that is stuck on the end of the harmonic balancer. So so long as that is where it supposed to be then I’ll just put it back together in the way that it is of course with a new timing cover seal pressed into the cover and I’ll leave that other ceiling washer at the end of the balancer when I press it back in. And thanks again for all your replies and help
 

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This is too simple,

There is a front cover seal which is stuck on your damper snout.
It is rubber coated on the outside and has a teflon seal lip that contacts the damper .
You need to pry the old one off and discard it.
New seal is installed into the cover.
Its lip is kept dry .
The damper snout is cleaned polished and left dry .
A smear of non hardening sealer is wiped in the bore of the damper.
The diamond grit washer ( I would go new myself ) is hooked on the little retaining groove.
The damper is installed to spec.
 

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OP, it's not a "ceiling washer", it a friction washer to aid in keeping the dampener from spinning as it's a interference fit to the crank.

The dampener does not have a seal associated with it. The seal is installed into the front cover.
Find a exploded parts diagram.
 

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This is too simple,

There is a front cover seal which is stuck on your damper snout.
It is rubber coated on the outside and has a teflon seal lip that contacts the damper .
You need to pry the old one off and discard it.
New seal is installed into the cover.
Its lip is kept dry .
The damper snout is cleaned polished and left dry .
A smear of non hardening sealer is wiped in the bore of the damper.
The diamond grit washer ( I would go new myself ) is hooked on the little retaining groove.
The damper is installed to spec.
Gotchu that’s what I was thinking and how I was going to put it back together just wasn’t sure I’ve never seen that little spacer washer before. Thank you for your replies and input
 
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