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US Transportation Department to release new CAFE rules Tuesday

Befitting of Earth Day, the U.S. Transportation Department will release proposed increases in fuel economy standards to ensure that automakers are on pace to meet the 35 mpg standard by 2020. The new proposal is expected to be more aggressive than the one originally laid out last December by Congress.

The new proposal will require passenger cars to average 35.7 mpg and light trucks to average 28.6 mpg by 2015, according to The Detroit News. Those numbers work out to a 31.8 mpg fleet average by 2015, or a 4.6 percent improvement each year — well above the originally scheduled 4 percent increase per year.

The fleet average in 2007 was 26.7.

The Bush administration plans to sign off on the new proposal before the next president takes office.

But to ease automakers into the new requirements, the proposal also includes credit transfer and trading systems. These systems would allow automakers to use credits earned from exceeding passenger car standards to cover the difference in light trucks averages. They would also allow less efficient automakers to buy credits from more efficient car makers.

Despite the sharp increases, automakers aren't expected to oppose the new requirements. However, automakers will be looking for the government's help in blocking 16 states from enacting their own standards, which would see fuel economy standards spike to 43.7 mpg by 2016.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/us-transportation-department-to-release-new-cafe-rules-tuesday.html
 

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The fbodfather, from the camaro forums, had stated before that GM decisions regarding vehicle development (more than just the Camaro) are up in the air until the USDOT came out with the rules after congress passed legislation. Now that the rules are coming out, they will most likely be coming to final decisions regarding powertrain development and platforms over the next few weeks. I assume they have already developed different scenarios based upon assuming various criteria and timelines and will now be selecting the scenario that came closest to the actual rule and then will be refining that scenario for implementation.
 

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I was gonna say, just in time for Earth Day. :rolleyes:
 

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Damn Bush, bloody Texas oilman sold out to the eco-wackos. Drill in ANWR, off Florida and California and flood this country with cheap oil instead.

As I have been saying all along...GET YOUR G8 GT with V8 ENGINE NOW!!! This model will be the last call. The next Generation G8 will likely be a turbo four.
 

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As I have been saying all along...GET YOUR G8 GT with V8 ENGINE NOW!!! This model will be the last call. The next Generation G8 will likely be a turbo four.
Would you complain if that turbo four produces 400 hp? (Purely hypothetical, I don't know how much power an ecotec will be capable of by then.)

Don't worry. As long as you're willing to buy a V8, GM will happily make and sell it to you.
 

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Would you complain if that turbo four produces 400 hp? (Purely hypothetical, I don't know how much power an ecotec will be capable of by then.)

Better than nothing but not a V8....and more likely 300hp when woudn up to 7000 rpb


Don't worry. As long as you're willing to buy a V8, GM will happily make and sell it to you.
You don't get it, do you? GM won't be able to sell you the V8 BY LAW. Congress is designing the cars, not GM. You can have the money, GM can have the V8, and Congress will say no friggin way.

Question: are you young enough so that you can't remember the 70s and 80s? Hint: NO family sedan had 300+ hP...150 was doing good.
 

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You don't get it, do you? GM won't be able to sell you the V8 BY LAW. Congress is designing the cars, not GM. You can have the money, GM can have the V8, and Congress will say no friggin way.

Question: are you young enough so that you can't remember the 70s and 80s? Hint: NO family sedan had 300+ hP...150 was doing good.
They can still make and sell a 15/25 mpg G8, they would just have to offset that by making and selling a 45/55 mpg car (I think the Volt is supposed to be in this range with the first 40 miles of no gasoline). That is why it is called corporate AVERAGE fuel economy.
 

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They can still make and sell a 15/25 mpg G8, they would just have to offset that by making and selling a 45/55 mpg car (I think the Volt is supposed to be in this range with the first 40 miles of no gasoline). That is why it is called corporate AVERAGE fuel economy.
yes, but you have to make a SALE. First off, even a SMART car does not get 45/55....so there is no car to sell.

Second, you can't put your wife and three kids in a car that small.

So you can't sell the G8GT, because no one bought the (still nonexistent) 50 MPG car, because no one want to drive around in a car as big as a shoe.

So GM decides why sell V8s for $30K, when they can only sell a few and meet CAFE. So the V8s are reserved for $100K ZR1 Corvettes instead.

Everyone acts like all we have to do is wave a wand and 35 MPG will result.

Maybe if you are young, you believe this.

But already GM and Ford don't. The RWD Impala is dead because of CAFE. Cadillac just killed its V8 in development. IF Caddy isn't going to get a V8 option, there is no way Pontiac is getting one.

Go look at some history. A 1975 Mustang had about 150 horsepower max. My 84 Dodge Daytona Turbo was a relatively hot car for the times...it had a 146 HP turbo four.

MY 1995 Eagle Vision TSI had the top engine option...a 214 hp v6.

During those years, 0-60 in 8 seconds was fast. 5.3 second times like that of the G8 was the province of Ferraris and Porsches. Not in anything priced for the common American.

Those times are coming again...get your V8 G8 now.
 

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For speaking in absolutes, you don't really even seem to know what is on the drawing board at GM.

The Chevrolet Volt is proposed for a 640 mile range on 12 gallons of fuel and a full charge overnight. That is an average of 53.3 mpg.

The Volt is proposed as a 4 passenger car that can fit a 6'2" person comfortably in both front and back.

The Volt is scheduled to be in showrooms by November 2010.

I understand what it takes to reach 35 mpg, you don't need to assume that just because one is young, then they can't understand.

The last time I checked, CAFE only applies to the US and the G8 is sold in at least 2 other markets in which CAFE does not apply. Therefore, development may not necessarily be restricted to non-V8s.

Do I agree that a premium could be charged for V8s in the future - yes.

Would it be a good time to get the G8 in it's current configuration - yes.

Is a V8 necessarily the be-all, end-all in terms of performance and price, not necessarily.

http://www.motortrend.com/features/editorial/112_0805_asphalt_jungle/
 

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For speaking in absolutes, you don't really even seem to know what is on the drawing board at GM.

The Chevrolet Volt is proposed for a 640 mile range on 12 gallons of fuel and a full charge overnight. That is an average of 53.3 mpg.

The Volt is proposed as a 4 passenger car that can fit a 6'2" person comfortably in both front and back.

The Volt is scheduled to be in showrooms by November 2010.

I understand what it takes to reach 35 mpg, you don't need to assume that just because one is young, then they can't understand.

The last time I checked, CAFE only applies to the US and the G8 is sold in at least 2 other markets in which CAFE does not apply. Therefore, development may not necessarily be restricted to non-V8s.

Do I agree that a premium could be charged for V8s in the future - yes.

Would it be a good time to get the G8 in it's current configuration - yes.

Is a V8 necessarily the be-all, end-all in terms of performance and price, not necessarily.

http://www.motortrend.com/features/editorial/112_0805_asphalt_jungle/
nice link
 

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For speaking in absolutes, you don't really even seem to know what is on the drawing board at GM.

The Chevrolet Volt is proposed for a 640 mile range on 12 gallons of fuel and a full charge overnight. That is an average of 53.3 mpg.

The Volt is proposed as a 4 passenger car that can fit a 6'2" person comfortably in both front and back.

The Volt is scheduled to be in showrooms by November 2010.

I understand what it takes to reach 35 mpg, you don't need to assume that just because one is young, then they can't understand.

The last time I checked, CAFE only applies to the US and the G8 is sold in at least 2 other markets in which CAFE does not apply. Therefore, development may not necessarily be restricted to non-V8s.

Do I agree that a premium could be charged for V8s in the future - yes.

Would it be a good time to get the G8 in it's current configuration - yes.

Is a V8 necessarily the be-all, end-all in terms of performance and price, not necessarily.

http://www.motortrend.com/features/editorial/112_0805_asphalt_jungle/
here's a little GM info for you. The Volt is more likely to be sold as a Caddy than a Chevy. Why? Because it is going to cost a lot more than you think.

Agree that a premium could be charged for V8s in the future....like say $20-30 K over the GT which puts it out of reach of the average American.

Yes we all know there are fast ricers out there. But they will never be quite like a V8.

So basically you agree with me that V8s for the common man may well end with this generation of the G8.............
 

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yes, but you have to make a SALE. First off, even a SMART car does not get 45/55....so there is no car to sell.
I'm sorry, but I have to nit-pick over this. The Smart ForTwo was never designed to be a high-MPG car. It's made to be a small car that is supremely able to move about in an urban setting. It was not designed for the large, wide American roads.

After seeing many of these cars on the road while I was living in Germany, that was always the consensus of all those that live there.

And as far as mileage goes, I believe Diesel is where it's at. With more and more diesels finally making it to our shores, If GM ever got back into the diesel passenger car realm I would think it would immensely help the CAFE requirements.
 

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I'm sorry, but I have to nit-pick over this. The Smart ForTwo was never designed to be a high-MPG car. It's made to be a small car that is supremely able to move about in an urban setting. It was not designed for the large, wide American roads.

After seeing many of these cars on the road while I was living in Germany, that was always the consensus of all those that live there.

And as far as mileage goes, I believe Diesel is where it's at. With more and more diesels finally making it to our shores, If GM ever got back into the diesel passenger car realm I would think it would immensely help the CAFE requirements.
The point is that there is no 50MPG car that anyone would want ot dirve in the US...so no offence taken.

Here's a problem with diesel to consider...the refinery system in the US is not set up to crank out diesel...which is why it is selling at a 50-90 cent premium to regular and the truckers are getting pissed.

That cannot be changed without essentially building lots of new refineries...which the eco wackos won't permit. So loading the road with diesel cars will drive the price of diesel fuel to many $$ over the price of gas.

As always, the laws of economics are oblivious to liberal socialist eco-activism.
 

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we need to drill they are finding new oil all the time plus what we know of is good to get us through plus the tar sands and of course build more refineries.

New ways of getting to oil safely and transforming the coal sand are coming out.

For the truth on ( global warming ) go { toICECAP.USindex.php }

Great website run by the founder of the Weather Cahnnel.
 

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The secret to getting the MPG up is to LIGHTEN the load. I saw a stat tonight that says the average new car today weighs 1000 pounds more than it did in 1987. Drop 700 pounds or so out of a car and that ought to be good for at least 3 or 4 miles per gallon more.
 

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The secret to getting the MPG up is to LIGHTEN the load. I saw a stat tonight that says the average new car today weighs 1000 pounds more than it did in 1987. Drop 700 pounds or so out of a car and that ought to be good for at least 3 or 4 miles per gallon more.
But then you won't have that coveted 4 or 5 star crash rating, those half dozen plus supplemental airbags, that super-duper does everything for you entertainment/navigation system, all of that sound deadening material that keeps the real-world out and all of that extra stiffening for that tank-like driving feel. Oh, and don't forget those power everything, sofa-like seats with oodles of leg room.;)
 

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Don't know if any of you follow the news, other than the price of oil, but Brazil claims to have just discovered a HUGE oil field off their coast, second only to the original Saudi field total. I believe that was estimated to be in the BILLIONS of barrels of oil! If nothing else, once it comes on line, sometime in the next 12-18 months, we should see a dramatic drop in the price of a barrel of oil. It was just cited today on CNBC by one of the top oil traders, that the current $119+/barrel of oil is easily $30-$40 of speculation and the poor dollar valuation. In other words, oil could easily be at $80-$85/barrel, making gasoline around $2.50/gallon. If nothing else, all the tree huggers are taking the price of oil as an opportunity to make hay and push through their eco agenda, knowing full well once in place it is very hard to get the backing to put things back the way they were, or even to ease off on the tough regulations/requirements. The pendulum is swinging their way and they will take full advantage of it too!:nuts:
 
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