[gmonde]

just pulled up the thread on the th400 swap,, (nice job on that ),, so long of the short ,,, can I remove the trans, jump the lan and can wires and do the gxp/holden flash or do I flash it first ? also do I have to license the gxp file in order to flash it ? ,,, last question ,is a 6.2 flywheel the same as a 6.0 working with wrecking yards to sell me the whole shebang ,,, again thanks in advance ,oh great job on the hard core work ,, I love this stuff

 

[MGM GT]

just pulled up the thread on the th400 swap,, (nice job on that ),, so long of the short ,,, can I remove the trans, jump the lan and can wires and do the gxp/holden flash or do I flash it first ? also do I have to license the gxp file in order to flash it ? ,,, last question ,is a 6.2 flywheel the same as a 6.0 working with wrecking yards to sell me the whole shebang ,,, again thanks in advance ,oh great job on the hard core work ,, I love this stuff

Flash the manual file in first, if you don't the car will be looking for the TCM and wont take the manual file. Then jump the wires.

You don't need to license the GXP file, just open your file then open the GXP file as a compare file and change things as needed.

Yes 6.2 flywheels are the same as 6.0 as long as its not from an LSA or LS9 since those have different crank bolt patterns.

 

[gmonde]

You don't need to license the GXP file, just open your file then open the GXP file as a compare file and change things as needed.

sorry ask redundant questions but,, I did a quick comparison between the 2 files and there are differences in the options that are available between the manual and the automatic files ,, I will compare tonight to see what options are different ,, I don't mind paying the license fee if I can just program that in to the ecm ,, that way I am not missing anything ,, I will update ,, gmonde

 

[gmonde]

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Well the Holden manual E38 file works perfect! I flashed in the manual file which it rejected at first, unplugged the TCM and jumped the can-bus pins on the TCM plug, disable the clutch interlock, and copy over the engine parameters. Fires right up and runs perfect!

Speedo works, runs great, pretty cool I love it!! Plus its cool seeing Holden when I open HPtuners, haha.

so was this the fix for the no start issue ?

,,so after comparing files between the manual and automatic,, after the save to manual the automatic properties still are in place ,, so I think I have to register the gxp file and flash my ecm as a full write to eliminate the automatic properties from the program,


am I thinking crazy?

 

[MGM GT]

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Well the Holden manual E38 file works perfect! I flashed in the manual file which it rejected at first, unplugged the TCM and jumped the can-bus pins on the TCM plug, disable the clutch interlock, and copy over the engine parameters. Fires right up and runs perfect!

Speedo works, runs great, pretty cool I love it!! Plus its cool seeing Holden when I open HPtuners, haha.

so was this the fix for the no start issue ?

,,so after comparing files between the manual and automatic,, after the save to manual the automatic properties still are in place ,, so I think I have to register the gxp file and flash my ecm as a full write to eliminate the automatic properties from the program,

am I thinking crazy?

I'm sure there are a few ways to do it and the new version of software might be different. But if you currently have a tune on your GT I wouldn't wipe that for a stock manual tune. To get the speedo working I switched the settings to use the ABS sensor rather then the trans output. Some other small things here and there between the files.

 

[MGM GT]

You don't need to license the GXP file, just open your file then open the GXP file as a compare file and change things as needed.

sorry ask redundant questions but,, I did a quick comparison between the 2 files and there are differences in the options that are available between the manual and the automatic files ,, I will compare tonight to see what options are different ,, I don't mind paying the license fee if I can just program that in to the ecm ,, that way I am not missing anything ,, I will update ,, gmonde

Sorry after thinking about it I don't pay attention to licenses much because I have a year/model license on G8's rather then the individual license agreement so yes that is correct.

 

[gmonde]

I'm sure there are a few ways to do it and the new version of software might be different. But if you currently have a tune on your GT I wouldn't wipe that for a stock manual tune. To get the speedo working I switched the settings to use the ABS sensor rather then the trans output. Some other small things here and there between the files.

can this be done thru hp tuners as well ?

 

[WhiplashGT]

So it turns out a manual swap isn't as hard as I read it to be. Someone dropped a bug in my ear that got the ball rolling so I got it done fairly quickly once I gathered all the parts. I used a Camaro TR-6060 trans with the updated part number (I heard the early ones had a weak internal part, possibly the input shaft?), along with a Camaro slave, master cylinder and pedal.

Used an LT twin disk clutch from Monster that feels stock and no chatter. Trans went right in without issue, plenty of room around the bell housing. I did have to drill a hole in the firewall for the master to pass through when mounting the pedal but otherwise the clutch pedal bolted right up to the dash (a 1 3/4" hole saw works perfect). Tick braided master and speedbleeder lines worked well and I used a GXP reservoir since Camaro doesn't have a separate reservoir.

I got a TR-6060 to TH400 mount adapter from LSX Everything (T56/TR6060 Mounts) and used a Energy suspension TH400 short mount (3.1158R). I had to cut the front lip of the crossmember back a little since Camaro trans is longer but otherwise worked fine.

Camaro shifter bolted in place about a 1/4" back from the stock shifter holes which is nice being a little closer to the driver. It still needs an MGW shifter like I installed in my GXP, stock shifters are just sloppy!

Ordered a custom carbon fiber driveshaft from DSS since the Camaro trans is a little longer it made for a shorter shaft then a typical G8. Runs smooth with no vibration, rated for all the power and 240 MPH (not that it'll ever see that).

For the rear I'm using it with a Camaro 3.45 and it doesn't feel all that far off from my GXP with 3.70's since the Camaro has slightly different trans ratios then the GXP.
GXP - 2.97 2.10 1.46 1.00 0.71 0.56 3.28
Camaro - 3.01 2.07 1.43 1.00 0.84 0.57 3.28

Took it for a drive and all is well! I'm surprised more people aren't doing this! I'll get some pics together for those interested... one thing I forgot about is the big auto brake pedal! DOH!

So the the camaro pedal works? i started gathering parts to swap mine but i got hung up because the g8 pedal assembly is discontinued. This is great information. I can't wait to start doing mine! post up some pictures when you get a chance! id love to see it. Others say there are issues fitting the camaro tr6060 compared to the g8 tr6060 did you run into any problems like that?

 

[MGM GT]

So the the camaro pedal works? i started gathering parts to swap mine but i got hung up because the g8 pedal assembly is discontinued. This is great information. I can't wait to start doing mine! post up some pictures when you get a chance! id love to see it. Others say there are issues fitting the camaro tr6060 compared to the g8 tr6060 did you run into any problems like that?

Yes, the Camaro pedal works well and really seems just like my GXP pedal. I had to drill a hole for the master to pass through the firewall but other then that it bolted up fine. Camaro pedal aligns with the two bolts in the dash for support, 8mm if I recall and I had two random GM bolts that threaded in to hold it in place.

Camaro TR-6060 wasn't too bad to get in there. But it does have its quirks like the bellhousing isn't removable and its a little longer. No show stoppers though, really just trimming the crossmember and adjusting the shifter placement was the worst of it.

 

[Radrace19]

Yes I've compared them.
The G8 pedal was sold as a separate item and the Camaro pedal is sold as a unit with master cylinder.

 

[WhiplashGT]

Yes, the Camaro pedal works well and really seems just like my GXP pedal. I had to drill a hole for the master to pass through the firewall but other then that it bolted up fine. Camaro pedal aligns with the two bolts in the dash for support, 8mm if I recall and I had two random GM bolts that threaded in to hold it in place.

Camaro TR-6060 wasn't too bad to get in there. But it does have its quirks like the bellhousing isn't removable and its a little longer. No show stoppers though, really just trimming the crossmember and adjusting the shifter placement was the worst of it.

wouldn't a regular gxp drive shaft work? Do you have any pictures of the shifter and how you have that set up? Did you run transmission cooler lines?

 

[MGM GT]

wouldn't a regular gxp drive shaft work? Do you have any pictures of the shifter and how you have that set up? Did you run transmission cooler lines?

GXP driveshaft wont work with a Camaro TR-6060 because its longer then the GXP TR-6060. What are you looking for? It mounts up the same as GXP shifter. Yes I ran cooler lines, just used stock Camaro lines up to the front.

 

[WhiplashGT]

GXP driveshaft wont work with a Camaro TR-6060 because its longer then the GXP TR-6060. What are you looking for? It mounts up the same as GXP shifter. Yes I ran cooler lines, just used stock Camaro lines up to the front.

What length drive shaft and what transmission crossmember did you use? Were you able to keep the remote start and cruise control? I just bought a Camaro tr6060, zr1 clutch, lingenfelter flywheel, and Camaro dss 1 piece drive shaft. I need to change the flywheel because I have an lsa 8-bolt crank. Is the Camaro drive shaft too long? Can you post some pictures of the clutch master cylinder reservoir? Thanks for answering all my questions. I just want as much information I can get before I start treating this thing apart.

 

[MGM GT]

What length drive shaft and what transmission crossmember did you use? Were you able to keep the remote start and cruise control? I just bought a Camaro tr6060, zr1 clutch, lingenfelter flywheel, and Camaro dss 1 piece drive shaft. I need to change the flywheel because I have an lsa 8-bolt crank. Is the Camaro drive shaft too long? Can you post some pictures of the clutch master cylinder reservoir? Thanks for answering all my questions. I just want as much information I can get before I start treating this thing apart.

Stock crossmember, just trimmed to clear edge of TR-6060. M6 cars dont have remote start so no. I'm guessing the Camaro driveshaft will be too short but its worth checking, mine ended up just shy of 60" flange to flange.

Here are some pics of the master install.

 

[WhiplashGT]

Did do anything with the wiring harness for the clutch position sensor, reverse lock out, and other sensors on the transmission?

 

[MGM GT]

Did do anything with the wiring harness for the clutch position sensor, reverse lock out, and other sensors on the transmission?

Depends how fancy you want to be. Its easy to turn off the clutch switch in the manual tune so its not needed, granted its a good safety measure if you were to use it. I may wire up the clutch switch for a 2 step or something down the road.

Reverse lockout isn't needed unless you really want it. Without power it defaults to the solenoid locking it out, but if you want it in reverse it will still go in reverse. You can feel when you push the shifter against the solenoid spring. Its enough of a lockout you wouldn't throw it in reverse going for 5th since 5th glides in while reverse takes some effort. A lot of guys that have done swaps in other cars do it this way and seems to work fine.

 

[95wagon]

So, no clutch switch , guess you don't downshift going up a hill with the cruise on then ??

While not G8, I have done manual swaps and for the little time, nice to do the VSS, rev lock up, clutch switches etc.
Just my take,
Gerry

 

[MGM GT]

So, no clutch switch , guess you don't downshift going up a hill with the cruise on then ??

While not G8, I have done manual swaps and for the little time, nice to do the VSS, rev lock up, clutch switches etc.
Just my take,
Gerry

Dunno never used cruise. You can get vehicle speed from ABS sensor just switch signal in HPT same as TH400 swap.

 

[WhiplashGT]

Thats a good idea with the 2step, i may just do that. I was thinking about just buying the whole GXP M6 Engine harness that has all the wiring for all the sensors on the trans. ill have to look into it a little more when i get closer.

 

[WhiplashGT]

So, no clutch switch , guess you don't downshift going up a hill with the cruise on then ??

While not G8, I have done manual swaps and for the little time, nice to do the VSS, rev lock up, clutch switches etc.
Just my take,
Gerry

Dunno never used cruise. You can get vehicle speed from ABS sensor just switch signal in HPT same as TH400 swap.

Hey man. I tried calling the driveshaft shop to see about ordering the same driveshaft as you but they couldn't find an order fitting the description. I was wondering if you could give me any info that you use to place the order so I can order the same driveshaft as you.